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 Post subject: Acts 10/Cornelius
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:52 am 
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How do Catholics explain the conversion story of Cornelius that we see in Acts 10 :?: :wave

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i'm confused...why do Catholics need an explanation for a conversion ?

he was sent to Peter..the leader of our Lord's Church ...seems pretty simple to me...our Lord wants ALL of His brothers and sisters to be in His Church :fyi: :cloud9:

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 Post subject: Re: Acts 10/Cornelius
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Such may be the grace of God occasionally towards men, and such their great charity and contrition, that they may have remission, justification, and sanctification, before the external sacraments of baptism, confirmation, and penance be received; as we see in this example: where, at Peter's preaching, they all received the Holy Ghost before any sacrament. But here we also learn one necessary lesson, that such, notwithstanding, must needs receive the sacraments appointed by Christ, which whosoever contemneth, can never be justified.--St. Augustine.

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Such may be the grace of God occasionally towards men, and such their great charity and contrition, that they may have remission, justification, and sanctification, before the external sacraments of baptism, confirmation, and penance be received; as we see in this example: where, at Peter's preaching, they all received the Holy Ghost before any sacrament. But here we also learn one necessary lesson, that such, notwithstanding, must needs receive the sacraments appointed by Christ, which whosoever contemneth, can never be justified.--St. Augustine.



That quote I think is a good answer and helps me understand the Catholic teaching on baptism better. Thanks :D

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 Post subject: Re: Acts 10/Cornelius
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i'm confused...why do Catholics need an explanation for a conversion ?

he was sent to Peter..the leader of our Lord's Church ...seems pretty simple to me...our Lord wants ALL of His brothers and sisters to be in His Church :fyi: :cloud9:


The reason for my question in regards to the conversion of Cornelius is because he obviously was filled with the Holy Spirit prior to being baptized in water. He was converted after hearing the gospel being preached which is the protestant view of how conversion occurs. We hear the gospel and the Holy Spirit leads us to repentance. This is how protestants teach regeneration. It is a baptism in the Spirit. While there may not necessarily be evidence of speaking in tongues the evidence should be proved in a changed life, the fruits of the Spirit. 2 Cor. 5:17 says we are made into a new creature. This is why I believe I was converted to Christ long before my water baptism. I am not in any way trying to negate the importance of water baptism. I believe it is extremely important and I do feel mislead by my church for not placing the importance on the sacrament of water baptism that it deserves.

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thanks for the explanation...i knew there was a whole lot more to it than my simplistic approach... especially when i read St Augustine's explanation

but speaking of the importance of baptism, please refresh my memory as to whether you have had the opportunity to read 'crossing the tiber' yet 8-)

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faithfulservant wrote:
thanks for the explanation...i knew there was a whole lot more to it than my simplistic approach... especially when i read St Augustine's explanation

but speaking of the importance of baptism, please refresh my memory as to whether you have had the opportunity to read 'crossing the tiber' yet 8-)



yes I have read it and I found it very interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: Acts 10/Cornelius
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Bristol, just out of curiosity, what were you taught was the purpose of that chapter?

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Bristol, just out of curiosity, what were you taught was the purpose of that chapter?

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