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 Post subject: re: the Maccabees
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How was it possible for the one of the Maccabees to be the high priest of the Jewish people when they were not Levites?

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 Post subject: Re: re: the Maccabees
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'Maccabee' was a title, not a formal name, after the first generation passed, the second and later generations of Maccabees were not actually blood relations of Judah and his four brothers....

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 Post subject: Re: re: the Maccabees
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'Maccabee' was a title, not a formal name, after the first generation passed, the second and later generations of Maccabees were not actually blood relations of Judah and his four brothers....


what did the title signify?

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 Post subject: Re: re: the Maccabees
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:38 am 
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Louis-Marie Flambeau wrote:
Doom wrote:
'Maccabee' was a title, not a formal name, after the first generation passed, the second and later generations of Maccabees were not actually blood relations of Judah and his four brothers....


what did the title signify?


It was originally a nickname of Judas Maccabee, there are several competing theories as to what the nickname meant....

One explanation is that it originated from the Aramaic word for 'hammer', so it would literally be 'Judas the Hammer' and was an honorific based on his ferocity in battle.

Another theory is that it is derived from the battle cry used by Judas and his brothers '"Mi chamocha ba'elim YHWH",' or roughly Who is like You among the mighty, O Lord!"

Another theory is that it is a corruption of "Machbanai" who was a commando in the army of King David.

It became a kind of title (like 'Caesar' among the Romans) to represent the Hasmonean dynasty, which ruled the kingdom of Judah from 140 BC to the establishment of the Herodian dynasty in 37 BC.

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 Post subject: Re: re: the Maccabees
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Louis-Marie Flambeau wrote:
How was it possible for the one of the Maccabees to be the high priest of the Jewish people when they were not Levites?
I can somewhat question your premise.

According to 1 Maccabees 2:1, Mattathias, the father, was a priest who left Jerusalem and settled in Modein. So the initial "Maccabee" family was Jewish and priestly. Whether they (or later followers) were eligible to be HIGH-priest could be another question.


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According to Josephus, Onias was descended from Juddea listed as a Levite in Nehemiah 12:11.

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 Post subject: Re: re: the Maccabees
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:43 am 
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Jerome_2 wrote:
It is also interesting that some Jewish traditions claim that Solomon replaced Abiathar with Zadok, because the Holy Spirit had left Abiathar and he could not longer consult of the Urim and Thummim, which gave the Jewish high priests a kind of pseudo infallibility.


It wasn't just Jewish Tradition. It's in Scripture. David elevated Zadok who was already a priest serving with Abiathar (1 Chr. 29:22). His genealogy is listed by Ezra 7:1 as descending from Phineas.

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