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 Post subject: Question about mass with absent priest
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:29 am 
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The priest at our church has been sick lately and he has missed morning mass a few times and I wanted to know if it is ok that a woman in our parish who is a Eucharistic minister has taken it upon herself to not only read the gospel but also deliver a homily,just wanted to know if this was out of line cause it doesn't seem right to me. Thank you!


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:03 am 
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Absolutely NOT ok! The priest (or a deacon IIRC) are the only ones who can give the homily!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:17 am 
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Reading the Gospel is correct in this context, but no one but a priest or deacon is allowed to give the homily.

The so-called "Mass without a priest" is really called a Commuion Service.
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A Communion service is a Catholic liturgy that may be celebrated when no priest is available to celebrate Mass.
It includes the readings of the day and the distribution of the Eucharist. It is not a Mass.

Recognizing the primary duty of priests and deacons to distribute the Most Holy Eucharist, if no priest is available to celebrate Mass,
it is permissible for a Communion service to be conducted by a deacon.
In the absence of a deacon, a Communion service may be celebrated by one of the lay faithful.

It is necessary that the person celebrating a Communion service have proper approval by lawful ecclesiastical authority and follow the
norms of law for the liturgical rite. Finally, a Communion service does not fulfill the obligation for Holy Days and Sunday Masses.
http://www.cuf.org/faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=43

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:22 am 
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1) That's not a Mass, it's a communion service.
2) I am not sure that, technically speaking, a homily is given at a communion service; it might be just a "meditation," which a lay person is allowed to give.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:34 am 
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If a priest is absent, there can be no mass at all.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:05 pm 
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
1) That's not a Mass, it's a communion service.
2) I am not sure that, technically speaking, a homily is given at a communion service; it might be just a "meditation," which a lay person is allowed to give.


We had a lot of those during the three years when we didn't have a resident priest. A nun conducted them.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:01 pm 
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Who consecrates the Host? (did I say that right???)


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:09 pm 
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mea wrote:
Who consecrates the Host? (did I say that right???)


They would have been left over from a previous Mass.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:23 pm 
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Doom wrote:
mea wrote:
Who consecrates the Host? (did I say that right???)


They would have been left over from a previous Mass.


Which begs the question--sometime in 2000+ years of Church history, there must have been an occasion in which not enough host was consecrated to serve everyone--maybe during the Triduum. What happens then? :scratch:

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ghall512 wrote:
Doom wrote:
mea wrote:
Who consecrates the Host? (did I say that right???)


They would have been left over from a previous Mass.


Which begs the question--sometime in 2000+ years of Church history, there must have been an occasion in which not enough host was consecrated to serve everyone--maybe during the Triduum. What happens then? :scratch:

Prior to 1955, on Good Friday, only the celebrant received the Host...the one and only Host he reserved on Maundy Thursday.

Not even the pope communicated unless he was the celebrant (he often was not). The only exception was if you were dying. A priest was allowed, if necessary, to celebrate a private votive Mass of the passion on Good Friday to give communion to those near death.


Now of course in any regular Mass, if there are no more Hosts, then there are no more Hosts. No more in the tabernacle? Then the priest must merely end communion. Nothing can be done until another Mass is said.

It is not required that anyone communicate except for the celebrant. Heck, a few years ago Cardinal Rajinth decided not to distribute communion at all to any faithful at a Mass because it was outdoors, there were many people, and the weather was turning. Instead, later in the day, there were a few communion services in nearby Churches.

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 Post subject: Re: Question about mass with absent priest
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:18 pm 
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The answer was a lot simpler than I thought. Thanks!

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ghall512 wrote:
The answer was a lot simpler than I thought. Thanks!



If the shortage was known in advance they could also break the hosts into halves or even fourths.

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