Who are the prophets 1 Thes. 2:14-16

Dominic · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 11:10 am

14* For you, brothers, have become imitators of the churches of God that are in Judea in Christ Jesus. For you suffer the same things from your compatriots as they did from the Jews, 15* who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets and persecuted us; they do not please God, and are opposed to everyone,g 16trying to prevent us from speaking to the Gentiles that they may be saved, thus constantly filling up the measure of their sins. But the wrath of God has finally begun to come upon them.

Who are these prophets? How has God's wrath "begun to come upon them"?

Obi-Wan Kenobi · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 11:49 am

The Old Testament prophets are the ones referred to.

The coming of God's wrath is the series of revolts etc leading to the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D.

Dominic · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 11:55 am

I thought the prophets was refering to John the Baptist and such.

Obi-Wan Kenobi · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 11:56 am

Not primarily; his death was not even the doing of Jews.

Dominic · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 12:12 pm

Which prophets were the doing of Jews? In context of the text.

Jerome_2 · **Joined:** Thu May 04, 2006 7:34 am **Posts:** 4623

We don't always know the prophets by name, because there were many prophets who were not named in the Old Testament. We know from scripture though that Jezebel the wife of King Ahab of Israel had many prophets killed(1Kings18:3-4, 1Kings19:10). Luke11:51 also references Abel and Zechariah, who I believe is the same Zechariah mentioned in 2Chronicles24:20-22.

Obi-Wan Kenobi · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 1:48 pm

The prophet Isaiah is said to have been sawed in half. The prophet Jeremiah, in exile in Egypt, is said to have been stoned to death.

faithfulservant · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 1:56 pm

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:

The Old Testament prophets are the ones referred to.

The coming of God's wrath is the series of revolts etc leading to the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D.

you obviously missed the class that stated God's wrath would be poured out during the tribulation after the rapture... i have that on good authority from the modern day prophets on youtube :fyi:

Dominic · **Posted:** Mon May 07, 2012 2:19 pm

Thank you.

It seems some anti-semitism can be read in this text by some as well.

They are looking for a transformative event that brought about God's wrath and I had none to offer.

HalJordan · **Posted:** Tue May 08, 2012 1:05 pm

Maybe count Zechariah (John the Baptist's dad) in there as well.

Obi-Wan Kenobi · **Posted:** Tue May 08, 2012 7:45 pm

Dominic wrote:

They are looking for a transformative event that brought about God's wrath and I had none to offer.[/color]

Definitely the destruction of the Temple, which brought about an end to the offering of sacrifices.

Bagheera · **Posted:** Tue May 08, 2012 7:51 pm

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:

Not primarily; his death was not even the doing of Jews.

Herod?

Obi-Wan Kenobi · **Posted:** Tue May 08, 2012 7:59 pm

Bagheera wrote:

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:

Not primarily; his death was not even the doing of Jews.

Herod?

Not a Jew, but an Idumean.

Bagheera · **Posted:** Wed May 09, 2012 8:07 am

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:

Bagheera wrote:

Herod?

Not a Jew, but an Idumean.

He came from a family of converts to Judaism. And if he were not a Jew, it seems odd that St. John the Baptist would have condemned his marriage for being contrary to Jewish law, or that Herod would have feared to put St. John to death, "knowing him to be a just and holy man: and kept him, and when he heard him, did many things: and he heard him willingly." (Mark 6:20).

Obi-Wan Kenobi · **Posted:** Wed May 09, 2012 8:11 am

Yes, but the Herodeans were clearly a party with their own interests, distinct from those of the Pharisees and Sadducees (though more aligned with the latter), and not because of religious reasons.

Jerome_2 · **Joined:** Thu May 04, 2006 7:34 am **Posts:** 4623

Bagheera wrote:

He came from a family of converts to Judaism. And if he were not a Jew, it seems odd that St. John the Baptist would have condemned his marriage for being contrary to Jewish law,

I think according to Jewish law even for non Jews, it was a universal principle that a man should only have one wife, and should not take the wife of another, according to Noahide laws. Although I'm not an expert concerning the cirumstances surrounding Herod's relationship with his brothers wife.

Bagheera · **Posted:** Wed May 09, 2012 9:00 am

Jerome_2 wrote:

it was a universal principle that a man should only have one wife

One that was not observed by many holy Jews.

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