Still not responded to

I responded 22 hours ago:


And now I have moved on:


How do you know what the voice of God is saying? Do you agree that when you listen to your conscience you can hear the voice of God?

to use your phrase, All I said about conscience is that "I would be very skeptical about anyone claiming to be able to prophesise". And that is all I am going to say about it in this thread.

Good.

So now I want caleb to answer:

How do you know what the voice of God is saying? Do you agree that when you listen to your conscience you can hear the voice of God?

As I've said all along, the conscience is a faculty of judgment that considers a situation in relation to the moral law which is an external order implanted in everyone's being. In the essay above, the pope uses the Platonic term anamnesis to emphasis that the operation of the conscience begins with a re-collecting of this order of being.
When the conscience is badly formed or makes an erroneous judgment, the conscience doesn't represent the voice of God. Acting on one's sincere convictions in such cases can reflect a more severe threat to a person's moral well-being than acting contrary to an accurate conscience, even though neither case is good.

But do you agree that when you listen to your conscience you can hear the voice of God? In other words, do you agree that when you listen to your conscience it is possible to hear the voice of God?

2nd question: Do you agree that when you listen to your true conscience you will hear the voice of God?

Yes.
As I've said, I disagree with the phrase "true conscience" because your use of that phrase makes the claim that the conscience is itself synonymous with the voice of God and that the conscience isn't involved or isn't the real source of judgment when a person acts contrary to the voice of God. You propose an infallible conscience. Can conscience be aligned with God's commands so that the person acting in accord with his conscience listens to and obeys the voice of God? Yes. Is conscience the infallible voice of God? No.

Which is to say that I am skeptical about your position.

The phrase true conscience - I`m not skeptical about - your use is incorrect.

When you listen to your conscience and hear the voice of God, is it possible that the voice of God would ever tell you to act wrongly?

Does someone in mortal sin, separated from God, have a conscience ..
What do they hear

Day six.

No. But as I said some time ago, a person can follow his conscience straight to hell.

Day Seven.

Day eight.

So you agree with me that when you listen to your conscience it is possible to hear the voice of God, and that when you listen to that voice of God, it would never mislead you into acting wrongly.

We both also agree that it is possible to be misled by your own misinterpretation or misperception when consulting your conscience, and wrongly believe that you are being guided by a correct conscience when you are not.

That is quite a lot of agreement.

I presume also that you understand that when we talk about the "voice of God" we do not mean an actual voice - like a mentally ill person might hear in his head - but we mean a silent voice in one's heart.

Do you also agree that if a person deeply and sincerely believes that he is being guided by the voice of God in his heart, then he should always act in accordance with that guidance, and never act against it?

To hear the actual voice of God would make you mentally ill?


Someone tell Moses he's crazy!

If that voice speaks against Church teaching, then you are either not hearing correctly, or you are not listening to different voice other than God - more likely your own ego and intellect.

In that case, among others, I do not agree with your statement!

As caleb has said, you can follow your deep and sincere belief all the way to hell.

Does a person's sincere, deep belief determine what should be done in a circumstance, or is the gauge by which we judge what should be done in a circumstance something other than the actor's belief? The quotation I posted above from Cardinal Ratzinger's speech contains the answer.

Day nine.

No, not belief in the wrong thing, of course not. That's not the point. We have already agreed that when you listen to your conscience it is possible to hear the voice of God, and that when you listen to that voice of God, it would never mislead you into acting wrongly.

Do you agree that you should always act in accordance with the guidance of that voice of God within your heart?

I presume you will say yes.

If so, do you agree that you should always act in accordance with the guidance of that voice of God within your heart when you deeply and sincerely believe that it is the voice of God within your heart that is guiding you?

(If not, how else could you act in accordance with the guidance of the voice of God within your heart, other than when you deeply and sincerely believe that it is the voice of God within your heart that is guiding you?)