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Remember her from SNL? I saw this commercial on tv last night and nearly puked. Its disgusting. What kind of falling out with the Church did she have to cause this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Beq2Yt1jVQ


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She's nuts.

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She's an atheist. They all hate the Church. Her mere existence angers them.

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I couldn't see her clearly so I put a set of cross-hairs on her forehead then she came into focus.

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Can someone give me a brief summary? I'd really rather not watch it.

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She calls herself a "cultural Catholic", says she is no longer a believer, she says the Bishops want to force their dogma on people who don't want it, she wants to force the Catholic Church to abide by the mandate, she wants to keep the Church and state separate so her message is really self-contradictory. You should watch it just to see her expressions and how she speaks. I get a good laugh off that every time it comes on t.v.

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The more I think about it, I have to wonder if maybe she's deliberately trying to be ridiculous, because that's how she's portraying her argument. Seeing the comments is heartening. Several point out the contradictory nature of her words.

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She calls herself a "cultural Catholic", says she is no longer a believer, she says the Bishops want to force their dogma on people who don't want it, she wants to force the Catholic Church to abide by the mandate, she wants to keep the Church and state separate so her message is really self-contradictory. You should watch it just to see her expressions and how she speaks. I get a good laugh off that every time it comes on t.v.


If she's no longer a believer, why does she care what the Bishops say?

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The more I think about it, I have to wonder if maybe she's deliberately trying to be ridiculous, because that's how she's portraying her argument. Seeing the comments is heartening. Several point out the contradictory nature of her words.


It is entirely possible that the whole thing is intended to be satiric..a parody of sorts of critics of the Church...if not she is even more stupid and irrational than your average atheist...

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But, you have to take into consideration her book Letting Go of God (or something along those lines). Stephen Hawking refers to it in something he wrote.

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The more I think about it, I have to wonder if maybe she's deliberately trying to be ridiculous, because that's how she's portraying her argument. Seeing the comments is heartening. Several point out the contradictory nature of her words.


It is entirely possible that the whole thing is intended to be satiric..a parody of sorts of critics of the Church...if not she is even more stupid and irrational than your average atheist...


I don't think its a parody. I just read a few of her blog posts and she considers herself an atheist. I'm always puzzled by "ex-Catholics" who are so interested in what the Church is doing. If they are no longer Catholic, why do they care what the Church does or thinks?

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The more I think about it, I have to wonder if maybe she's deliberately trying to be ridiculous, because that's how she's portraying her argument. Seeing the comments is heartening. Several point out the contradictory nature of her words.


It is entirely possible that the whole thing is intended to be satiric..a parody of sorts of critics of the Church...if not she is even more stupid and irrational than your average atheist...


I don't think its a parody. I just read a few of her blog posts and she considers herself an atheist. I'm always puzzled by "ex-Catholics" who are so interested in what the Church is doing. If they are no longer Catholic, why do they care what the Church does or thinks?


'And this is the verdict, that the light came into the world, but the world preferred darkness to light because their deeds were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light, and does not cone towards the light lest their evil deeds be exposed.'


Lest be honest for three quarters of a millisecond here.....only rarely, very, very, very, very, very, very, very rarely does one encounter an actual principled objection to Catholicism, from an atheist, a liberal dissenter, or whatever. Whenever you hear someone say 'I object to Transubstantiation, or the Resurrection, or the truth of the scriptures' what he usually means is 'I want to be able to sleep with my neighbors' wife'......why do you think there is such a close connection between militant atheism and pornography?

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Doom wrote:
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The more I think about it, I have to wonder if maybe she's deliberately trying to be ridiculous, because that's how she's portraying her argument. Seeing the comments is heartening. Several point out the contradictory nature of her words.


It is entirely possible that the whole thing is intended to be satiric..a parody of sorts of critics of the Church...if not she is even more stupid and irrational than your average atheist...


I don't think its a parody. I just read a few of her blog posts and she considers herself an atheist. I'm always puzzled by "ex-Catholics" who are so interested in what the Church is doing. If they are no longer Catholic, why do they care what the Church does or thinks?


'And this is the verdict, that the light came into the world, but the world preferred darkness to light because their deeds were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light, and does not cone towards the light lest their evil deeds be exposed.'


Lest be honest for three quarters of a millisecond here.....only rarely, very, very, very, very, very, very, very rarely does one encounter an actual principled objection to Catholicism, from an atheist, a liberal dissenter, or whatever. Whenever you hear someone say 'I object to Transubstantiation, or the Resurrection, or the truth of the scriptures' what he usually means is 'I want to be able to sleep with my neighbors' wife'......why do you think there is such a close connection between militant atheism and pornography?


True. I guess they figure if they shout loud enough, they can drown out their conscience.

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Remember her from SNL? I saw this commercial on tv last night and nearly puked. Its disgusting. What kind of falling out with the Church did she have to cause this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Beq2Yt1jVQ
Man, that was one of the most incoherent ramblings I have ever heard.

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But, you have to take into consideration her book Letting Go of God (or something along those lines). Stephen Hawking refers to it in something he wrote.


Which doesn't mean that she might not have enough self awareness to be able to mock obvious stupidity when she sees it....

The thing is most definitely a parody, whether an intentional one or an unintentional one....she'd hardly be the first D-list celebrity to degenerate into self parody without knowing it....

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Doom wrote:
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The more I think about it, I have to wonder if maybe she's deliberately trying to be ridiculous, because that's how she's portraying her argument. Seeing the comments is heartening. Several point out the contradictory nature of her words.


It is entirely possible that the whole thing is intended to be satiric..a parody of sorts of critics of the Church...if not she is even more stupid and irrational than your average atheist...


I don't think its a parody. I just read a few of her blog posts and she considers herself an atheist. I'm always puzzled by "ex-Catholics" who are so interested in what the Church is doing. If they are no longer Catholic, why do they care what the Church does or thinks?


'And this is the verdict, that the light came into the world, but the world preferred darkness to light because their deeds were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light, and does not cone towards the light lest their evil deeds be exposed.'


Lest be honest for three quarters of a millisecond here.....only rarely, very, very, very, very, very, very, very rarely does one encounter an actual principled objection to Catholicism, from an atheist, a liberal dissenter, or whatever. Whenever you hear someone say 'I object to Transubstantiation, or the Resurrection, or the truth of the scriptures' what he usually means is 'I want to be able to sleep with my neighbors' wife'......why do you think there is such a close connection between militant atheism and pornography?


You are correct sir. The rejection of doctrine always seems to stem from personal dissatisfaction or their perception that the Church has wronged them somehow.


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You are correct sir. The rejection of doctrine always seems to stem from personal dissatisfaction or their perception that the Church has wronged them somehow.


Not that the Church has wronged them, but that they reject the moral teachings of the Church....

Why are so many people obsessed with the Catholic Church? Because they know that the Church is what she claims to be......and they hate her for it. There's no point in hating the 35th Baptist Church of Downtown East Springfield when you can hate the universal Church which brings light to the world.

Those who are dedicated to evil, do not like the ones who stand opposed to the evil they do...and there is no bigger target than the Catholic Church....

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The more I think about it, I have to wonder if maybe she's deliberately trying to be ridiculous, because that's how she's portraying her argument. Seeing the comments is heartening. Several point out the contradictory nature of her words.


It is entirely possible that the whole thing is intended to be satiric..a parody of sorts of critics of the Church...if not she is even more stupid and irrational than your average atheist...


I don't think its a parody. I just read a few of her blog posts and she considers herself an atheist. I'm always puzzled by "ex-Catholics" who are so interested in what the Church is doing. If they are no longer Catholic, why do they care what the Church does or thinks?
Because they need affirmation and company in their rejection of the Church. They need to see the Church that they reject minimized or destroyed...in order to be able to tell themselves that they are right. In modernity, it is not enough that you are allowed to disagree; it is necessary that those who do not agree with you be removed from the discussion. So that you can be absolutely right. After all, you are special.

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One of the things we discussed in class this past week relates to this. All sin ultimately is us stamping our feet and saying

"I WANT TO BE BOSS AROUND HERE!!!!"

Wasn't that the first sin of our parents?

The Church irritates the hell out of people for one reason:

SUBMISSION!

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