I am in another room where one is stating that abortion is OK because of the "extremely high" maternal death rate. I know it is very low and that is not the point of my question. I am aware that Planned Parenthood made up figures. That he denies. Anyone here have access to statistics comparing death rates of those giving live births to those getting abortions. (I am aware that most deaths from abortions are labelled as death from sepsis or internal bleeding rather than abortion.)

It doesn't matter what the stats are, but I do think it's true that women die in pregnancy and childbirth more often than they die from abortions.

I had a friend who spent 10 years as a nurse in a delivery room. I asked her once how many died in her 10 years. She said none. Frankly I find it hard to believe that a devout Catholic would actually believe that deaths are more likely to occur during delivery than during an abortion.
That kind of info was provided by Planned Parenthood which was made up. Years ago they gave some info about delivery room deaths from a couple of towns in Italy (I believe that was the place). Since it was before the internet they thought they were safe. But in one town the deaths were greater than the number of women of child bearing age in that town. The other town had fewer total residents than the number of deaths claimed.

I don't know what being Catholic has to do with this...

The maternal mortality rate in the US is very high, sadly. That's not made up by Planned Parenthood. [eta: I edited my comment above to read "pregnancy and childbirth," as I believe maternal mortality refers to deaths during both... though I may be wrong].

In the U.S. I think the average rate of death during childbirth is about 1 in 10,000. Death during abortion is about 1 in 30,000. Either way it is really pretty rare. You can't really say either is a hazardous activity.

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Please put quotation marks around quotes.

Please explain to me your comment about finding it hard to believe that a devout Catholic would say what I said.

Please explain to me why you find it so hard to believe that a lot of women die in pregnancy and childbirth? The US is ranked below something like 40 other countries for maternal mortality.

Not certain what source you will accept for maternal mortality.

Here is one

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... goals#data

MMR global rank Country MMR 2008 MMR 1990 Annual % change 90-08
SOURCE: IHME

1 Italy 3.9 7.4 -3.5
2 Sweden 4.6 6.3 -1.7
3 Luxembourg 4.8 6.6 -1.8
4 Australia 5.1 6.3 -1.2
5 Austria 5.5 8.0 -2.0
6 Ireland 5.7 6.8 -1.0
7 Israel 5.9 10.5 -3.2
8 Malta 6.3 15.0 -4.7
9 Canada 6.6 5.7 0.9
10 Spain 6.6 8.8 -1.5
11 Japan 6.8 11.7 -3.0
12 Czech Republic 6.9 12.3 -3.2
13 Germany 7.0 11.6 -2.8
14 Slovakia 7.0 13.4 -3.6
15 Hungary 7.1 16.3 -4.6
16 Iceland 7.1 9.3 -1.5
17 Finland 7.2 7.3 -0.1
18 Poland 7.4 21.4 -5.8
19 Switzerland 7.4 7.0 0.3
20 Netherlands 7.6 9.2 -1.0
21 Norway 7.6 6.8 0.6
22 Albania 8.1 36.0 -7.9
23 United Kingdom 8.2 8.4 -0.1
24 Greece 8.4 7.6 0.6
25 New Zealand 8.5 10.7 -1.3
26 United Arab Emirates 8.6 30.9 -6.9
27 Serbia 8.9 11.8 -1.6
28 Denmark 9.4 7.1 1.5
29 Belgium 9.4 8.2 0.8
30 Portugal 9.5 16.2 -2.9
31 France 10.0 14.2 -1.9
32 Korea, South 11.4 18.3 -2.6
33 Bosnia and Herzegovina 11.8 32.3 -5.4
34 Croatia 14.1 14.5 -0.2
35 Qatar 14.3 48.8 -6.6
36 Taiwan, Province of China 14.3 26.1 -3.3
37 Singapore 15.7 12.2 1.4
38 Lithuania 16.0 22.4 -1.9
39 United States 16.6 11.5 2.1
40 Macedonia 16.7 20.0 -1.0
41 Latvia 17.8 29.6 -2.8
42 Slovenia 18.7 15.6 1.0
43 Montenegro 19.0 32.6 -3.0
44 Belarus 19.1 27.6 -2.0
45 Moldova 20.4 41.7 -3.9
46 Chile 21.1 43.7 -4.0
47 Turkmenistan 21.6 66.9 -6.1
48 Estonia 22.5 28.4 -1.3
49 Oman 23.8 84.9 -6.8
50 Lebanon 23.9 76.4 -6.3

Here are the CDC stats on death from abortion 2005

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtm ... ss5713a1_e

Results: A total of 820,151 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC for 2005 from 49 reporting areas, the abortion ratio (number of abortions per 1,000 live births) was 233, and the abortion rate was 15 per 1,000 women aged 15--44 years. For the 46 reporting areas that have consistently reported since 1995, the abortion rate declined during 1995--2000 but has remained unchanged since 2000.

For 2005, the highest percentages of reported abortions were for women who were known to be unmarried (81%), white (53%), and aged <25 years (50%). Of all abortions for which gestational age was reported, 62% were performed at <8 weeks' gestation and 88% at <13 weeks. From 1992 (when detailed data regarding early abortions were first collected) through 2005, the percentage of abortions performed at <6 weeks' gestation has increased. A small percentage of abortions occurred at >15 weeks' gestation (3.7% at 16--20 weeks and 1.3% at >21 weeks). A total of 35 reporting areas submitted data stating that they performed and enumerated medical (nonsurgical) procedures, making up 9.9% of all known reported procedures from the 45 areas with adequate reporting on type of procedure. In 2004 (the most recent years for which data are available), seven women died as a result of complications from known legal induced abortion. One death was associated with known illegal abortion.

I agree with Dominic, regardless of the stats, the murder of an innocent child (human being) for some perceived sake of convenience or safety cannot be condoned.

I think everyone here is in agreement with that.

The statistics are the statisitcs. We as Americans should be ashamed of the stat on maternal death in our country. The fact that there is a problem in maternity care does not make abortion any less of a horror.

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Given the statistics, what is the cause for such a poor maternal care rate in the United States?

Have not done any significant study, my gut says it is tied to high rates of c-sections, first article I found has this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/nyregion/19obese.html

"Of the women who died during childbirth, 79 percent were delivered by Caesarean section, which carries all the risks of any other surgery, like hemorrhaging and infection. The top four causes of death were blood clots, hemorrhage, pregnancy-induced high blood pressure, and infection, which together accounted for 63 percent of all pregnancy-related deaths, according to the city’s report. Half of the pregnancy-related deaths occurred within a week of delivery. "

I agree with Kage about c-sections. There are other factors at work, as well... like poor women who do not get maternity care and die from stuff like pre-eclampsia.

In the past, that was the case. Now that Medicaid for Pregnant Women is in place, the Medicaid patients see doctors far more often than private insurance people. Working poor women who cannot qualify for Medicaid and cannot afford private insurance are left to fend for themselves. So sad.

The business about the working poor gives credence to the idea it is better to be on 'welfare' than to work for the lowest of wages.

Would you please clarify what programs you are ref'ing to with the term "welfare"?