Oh brother, another apostasy...

I'm sure much of you know this is coming out later, for those 2 or 3 that don't well, it is, man...this is some horrible "fiction" writings!!! I know it's the work of Satan trying to attack Jesus, both Mary's and the Catholic Church...It's so clear...It's a counteraction on "The Passion" by Mel...

Anyway, just wanted all you to know, so that when all of America and many around you at school or work start to say, "Woa! Is this true?" and you say, "No." and then they say, "Well, what about....blaugh blaugh, blaugh????!!!" Each one of us will be able to say something to show that this movie is "fiction" and that these events never happened, and that there is no historical evidence for any of this.....etc.

I dont know, just had to tell all of you cause I am reading some of it now and the writings and claims are really disturbing to me...

Most Infinite, Merciful and Loving Jesus, please have mercy on us and don't let the world succumb to this apostasy. Queen Mother Mary, please have mercy on us and pray for us... Amen

The masses love to believe in apostasy. Especially when it's coming from Tom Hanks!

Many souls will be lead astray, I have no doubt.

and just think...little opie is directing it too

Get the DaVinci Hoax by Carl Olson and Sandra Meisel, then you'll be able to counter what's in the movie.

C.

Wonder when it will become required viewing in our schools?

It's already in school libraries Grolandi.


SV

Have any of your even read the book? It isn't that well written and makes a pretty ridiculous argument... (like no one would ever write that MM was Jesus's wife through all the recording of his life ) but it is very entertaining and not at all anti-catholic IMHO. It is against some of the most extreme teachings of Opus Deli(sp?) but I think most people are. From what I hear in the writers next book he has the same lead character from The Davinici Code helping the catholic church against people trying to murder some of her higher ups.

In summary Davinci Code was a decent book, will probably be a good movie, and I just don't see how 'many souls will be lead astray' unless they are the souls of real fools who can't tell a work of fiction from real life.

I heard that the screen writers for the movie are trying to play down some of the more extreme anti-catholic elements in the book such as attacking Opus Dei.
But the basic premise of the book is such an offense to catholics that Jesus was not God and never died on teh cross or ressurected but lived Happy ever after with Mary Magdalene and had brood of kids whose line contineues to this day. Hey take away any reference to Opus Dei and you still have an extremely offensive book to catholics. I don't think Hollywood gets it. You insult Jesus you insult Catholics even if you take away references to particular catholic orders and such.

How can you at one point say it isn't that well written and a makes a a "ridiculous argument" then a few sentences later say it was a "decent book"?

The "da Vinci Code" which I took the time to read, knowing someday it would be useful to know what the book actually said, has got to be one of the greatest heaps of rubbish I've ever read. Try these out:

- a laughable ignorance of history,
- an association of Cinderella(!!!) with the ancient female earth goddess,
- the biggest secret in history supposedly being protected by a combination lock with one of the protagonists' first name as the key
- an organization founded in the 1950s supposedly being so old it had Leonardo da Vicni as a member

Need I go on? The book is a complete denial of the truth of Catholicism. How can anyone think it's not anti-Catholic?

Possibly the most disgusting and deceitful thing about the whole book, though, is the way the unwary reader is lulled into believing everything in the book is factual. Even intelligent peop´le I've spoken to have been fooled by it.

Another thing, in real life, when I point out to people the inane errors of the book, they end up feeling pretty embarrassed at having been taken in by it.

Remind your friends that is a book of FICTION, a mystery novel. Intertwining fact with fiction to develop a story is nothing new, those are the books that are so compelling.

Also remind them that Di Vinci's Last Supper was not an eyewitness rendering. Leonardo wasn't there . His painting is probably quite inaccurate.

It's that particular painting that carries the most weight with those who accept the entire premise because the painting does exist and the images spoken about are actually as described and intriguing. Who didn't run to the Internet to search for the painting after the disembodied hand and feminine figure were pointed out?

To call the book anti-catholic is over reaction. Actually, if all the stuff he wrote about were true it would be strong physical evidence for the existence of Christ who's entire life exists only in the passages of Scripture (and small bit of Josephus). In the end, it is just a well written story with a theme that seems a bit blasphemous but is only meant to entertain the gullible public, which it has done. If it's apostasy then all I can say is shame on "you of little faith".

What good would it be if it proved the existence of Christ but disproved His divinity and His mission?

Of course the book is anti-Catholic.:

It has Christianity and the Catholic Church as an invention of Constantine.

It has Jesus having an affair and marrying Saint Mary Magdalene.

It has Mary Magdalene at the last supper (hence a "priest").

It has Jesus denying the will of His Father by getting involved in earthly affairs (a denial of the unity of the Divine Will).

It has the nature of God as a union of male and female components ( a denial of the unicity of God).

It has the Catholic Church "covering up" this terrible "truth" for centuries.

I am not arguing this point, I am only pointing out a fact. Christ is found in Scripture, gnostic writings and the reference by Josephus but that's about it!

As I said, it may seem anti-Christian and blasphemous to some but I think that is over reaction. If Brown claimed that this was an expose' of truth, then one could make that point. He admits it's a fictional story. And there are far more pernicious threats to the faith than this book! Real, serious and dangerous threats. Islam comes to mind.

Brown is not the Christian equivalent to Salman Rushdie. In fact, I like the fact that it gets read and raises questions. It presents a great opportunity to evangelize.

Commonman, I have to say that I am suprised to see some of your statements here.

If doesn't matter if it fiction or meant to be entertaining at all. It is more than "a bit blasphemous". It has our Lord having a relationship with MM! We are going to have to give an account of our lives, do you really want to give an account to our Lord about how you were "entertained" by these blasphemous stories about Him? Blasphemy is not a small matter. Our Lord Jesus is not a subject for writers to ridicule.

My faith is not rocked by this tale of fiction. I am not prepared to burn Brown at the stake for it or put a price on his head ala Rushdie.

I read the book over a year ago so I have forgotten some of it but I don't recall any theological points being raised. Did it cast doubt on the Divinity of Christ or his purpose? I don't think it did. The idea that there were women at the Passover is certainly not ridiclious, there could have been children too. There should have been children if it was indeed a Passovedr meal (who will ask the questions?).


More dangerous was a book form the late 60's (?). Schonfield's, The The Passover Plot. It denied the Resurrection entirely and it was not meant to be a fictional writing but supposedly true. It has long since found it's proper place in the dust bin.


Once the movie comes out there will be many who think it's true. They will come out of hiding, maybe people you know. Their weak faith thus exposed, you can now challange them to examine the claims Brown makes, they will be better for it. Heck, I have people knocking on my door every month who are a more serious threat to the Truth and the Way. All I can suggest is, be prepared to answer.

If you don't recall any theological points being raised then I think you must have read a different book. The whole book is one big theological point.

Furthermore, the fact that your own faith is not rocked by this fiction is irrelevant. Neither was mine, however many many people out there were and are being deceived by it.

Of course there were no women at the Last Supper. The only ones who suggest otherwise are the femiNazis who seek female ordination. In reaity it was only Christ Himself and His Apostles who were present, as the Gospels will demonstrate.

And what would that point be?



Could be a thread buster, let's not get off track.

I don't believe you just asked me that.

Commonman, the problem with the book doesn't have anything to do with you or how it affects your faith. The thing is, it is insulting to Our Lord. Blasphemy is a sin against God, not man.

Since when did The DaVinci Code become the authoritative work on the history of the Catholic Church? I don't think it has, at least not for anyone who has a minimal amount of intelligence. I mean, come on, who considers fictional murder stories to be credible theological and historical resources?

(Edit: this post in not directed toward anyone in particular. It's just my rant on people who are ignorant enough to use The DaVinci Code as reference material).

Ok then I will tell you what the point was to me,

The point of the book is that there are secrets hidden in famous works of art and that there is a great scheme passed on by famous historical people that the hero/heroine have to uncover. That Mary & Jesus got married and had a child part is shocking to read, but it occupies a tiny portion of the entire book and I don't recall any theological points made by it?

Consider this and please don't get emotional about it, pretend you are a theologian; If it were true and Christ and Mary M. were wed. Would Christ's message or Work on the Cross be destroyed? I say no.