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Is it an official or formal teaching of the Catholic Church that Jesus is married to the Church? I don't know. If so, can someone point me to the teaching that says this?

Does the Church hold the marriage is real and valid, or does it say the relation of Jesus to the Church is similar to that of a husband and wife? That would be a big difference from actually being married.


True he is the Bride and the Church is Bride and since Jesus taught no divorce no matter what protestant exegesis say there is no other bride. Jesus does not cheat on his wife but since divorce is so commonly accepted as normal in protestant circles they would allow Jesus to divorce his wife since she made sinned in the middle ages. So now according to Protestants Jesus is now married to thousands of churches.


Jesus has ONE church. His church is made-up of all believers. Jesus does not have thousands of churches.


True but the bible and tradition teaches us that there is a visible unified church due to the reformation their is now an invisible realm of the church but the visible church has never went away.

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Gio wrote:
tobit wrote:
Yoga wrote:
Is it an official or formal teaching of the Catholic Church that Jesus is married to the Church? I don't know. If so, can someone point me to the teaching that says this?

Does the Church hold the marriage is real and valid, or does it say the relation of Jesus to the Church is similar to that of a husband and wife? That would be a big difference from actually being married.


True he is the Bride and the Church is Bride and since Jesus taught no divorce no matter what protestant exegesis say there is no other bride. Jesus does not cheat on his wife but since divorce is so commonly accepted as normal in protestant circles they would allow Jesus to divorce his wife since she made sinned in the middle ages. So now according to Protestants Jesus is now married to thousands of churches.


Jesus has ONE church. His church is made-up of all believers. Jesus does not have thousands of churches.


if this is the case, then why do all of them not teach the same objective TRUTH... the bible tells us the Paraclete will lead us into all truth... how can there be more than ONE TRUTH

while it is true , in most cases, it is the same Jesus, the same God...it is the teachings that set the ONE TRUE CHURCH apart from the others...and the authority by which that Church teaches

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Greetings, Yoga.

Someone else is bound to tell you, but try the CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 796 and 808. Might do it for you, might not.

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GKC, Wilco:

Thanks for the references on the marriage of Jesus and the Church.

I note that 796 refers to this idea as an image and a theme.

I note that 808 simply states, "The Church is the Bride of Christ: he loved her and handed himself over for her. He has purified her by his blood and made her the fruitful mother of all God's children."

I see support for both the position that there is a literal marriage, and the position that the relation is similar to a marriage.


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I would not believe the Church taught Jesus is literally married to the Church simply on the basis of someone's post on this forum.

The Church either teaches the doctrine or it does not. That has nothing to do with my personal situation.


What's the difference? Your personaly situation says that what one person holds to be true is their observation and thus is truth. If a person posts something they believe to be true based on their observations then why do you question it? Is it not truth according to your definition of truth?


Some people observed documented statements from the Church and were kind enough to share the references.


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Yoga wrote:
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Greetings, Yoga.

Someone else is bound to tell you, but try the CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 796 and 808. Might do it for you, might not.

GKC

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GKC, Wilco:

Thanks for the references on the marriage of Jesus and the Church.

I note that 796 refers to this idea as an image and a theme.

I note that 808 simply states, "The Church is the Bride of Christ: he loved her and handed himself over for her. He has purified her by his blood and made her the fruitful mother of all God's children."

I see support for both the position that there is a literal marriage, and the position that the relation is similar to a marriage.



You are welcome. As I said, the references I gave might settle the question for you, or they might not.

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