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You are missing the point.

Because Opus Dei has been secretive in the past, it allows itself to be defined by ODAN and Ron Howard.

And if they want to change public opinion, they have to define themselves as assertively as others define them.


But why should OD really care about changing public opinion?

Conspiratorial theories have been drawn up about other secretive type organizations such as Skull and Bones, the Council of Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergers, etc., yet for those organizations their secrecy and exclusivity is part of their appeal.
The same can be said for Opus Dei as well.


Alexander, you've listened to way too many Alex Jones' radio shows.

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allegro54 wrote:
Because Opus Dei has been secretive in the past,


And let it be secretative in the future as well :)

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it allows itself to be defined by ODAN and Ron Howard.


No, it does not allow itself to be defined by them. They are defined by the Gospel.

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And if they want to change public opinion, they have to define themselves as assertively as others define them.


You are assuming they actually give a care about the opinions of men. The Gospel is not according to the opinions of men. Jesus didn't go around asking what people thought of him. He did not care. Neither should Opus Dei.

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I don't think that OD is all that secretive. They have a whole publishing company that publishes alot of books, many of them about OD itself.

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I don't know enough about Opus Dei to defend them or malign them.

I had never even heard of them until publication of the DaVinci Code, when my friend from Water Aerobics, the widow of a deacon who had been ordained, probably, in the 1970's or so, started talking about the book and Opus Dei.

Her husband was a liberal Catholic deacon. She is liberal also, although she attends daily Mass and is extremely devout. She did not have a good opinion of Opus Dei.

She's the only person I've ever met who had any knowledge of Opus Dei besides the DaVinci Code readers.

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allegro54 wrote:
She did not have a good opinion of Opus Dei.

She's the only person I've ever met who had any knowledge of Opus Dei besides the DaVinci Code readers.


Owch.

Talk about getting bad information :)

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She did not have a good opinion of Opus Dei.


That is not suprising.

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Defending Opus Dei

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation ... &track=rss


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Here's an article from the Remnant, it would be good to read it all the way through, though it is long:

http://www.odan.org/media_leopards_in_the_temple.htm

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"Our son-in-law," Corcoran writes, "would spend his vacation time at an Opus Dei workshop instead of with his family. Opus Dei also had him attending other spiritual sessions with them a minimum of three times a week. The rest of the time he only had recruitment on his mind. In fact, the only guests invited to his home for dinner were potential recruits.

"Opus Dei seemed to feel perfectly comfortable with the power they had over our son-in-law, and our daughter was constantly pressured to submit to Opus Dei spiritual direction. This became particularly oppressive when she needed hip replacement surgery and was insisting on Natural Family Planning. At the time she could barely walk, let alone cope or carry another pregnancy. [She had already borne two children.] According to Opus Dei, the ordinary teaching Magisterium of the Church, which approves Natural Family Planning, wasn't good enough.

"There were many other intrusions on the marriage….Finally, when our daughter asked her husband if he wanted to save the marriage by leaving Opus Dei, he said, 'Do you want me to leave the Catholic Church?' Members seem unable to differentiate between Opus Dei and the Church." In any case, Corcoran's son-in-law chose not to: "The marriage was annulled on the grounds of Lack of Due Discretion."


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