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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:04 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Sci-fi
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Thanks for the Weber recommendation by the way -- working my way through On Basilisk Station now. Also downloaded The Honor of the Queen. Both were free. :cloud9:


Glad you like her. She gets better, steadily.

OK, I am working on the third book in the series now -- The Short Victorious War. (As an aside, I found even more stuff for free thanks to Baen Books and their policy of binding redistributable CDs into their books - http://baencd.thefifthimperium.com/ for those who like to read at their computers or who have e-readers.) I have to say that, while I like the tech and the battles are fun, Weber's propensity for overturning gender roles gets old fast. Not so annoying that I don't want to read any more of his stuff, but tiresome nonetheless.

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 Post subject: Re: Sci-fi
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Pepsuber wrote:
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Thanks for the Weber recommendation by the way -- working my way through On Basilisk Station now. Also downloaded The Honor of the Queen. Both were free. :cloud9:


Glad you like her. She gets better, steadily.

OK, I am working on the third book in the series now -- The Short Victorious War. (As an aside, I found even more stuff for free thanks to Baen Books and their policy of binding redistributable CDs into their books - http://baencd.thefifthimperium.com/ for those who like to read at their computers or who have e-readers.) I have to say that, while I like the tech and the battles are fun, Weber's propensity for overturning gender roles gets old fast. Not so annoying that I don't want to read any more of his stuff, but tiresome nonetheless.



I meant to mention that. I've never opened one of mine, but they are nifty little things. Might have to get one from my spares and try it.

Nonsense. We love our Honor. Just accept that the gender roles in that time, are not what ours are. At least in Manticore/Haven and similar societies. Works for me and I'm as conservative as you will find, on this page, anyway. Also, it plays out well in several plot lines and plot twists you might come across later.

Me, I like the tech and the battles and the social structures, and the personalities and the tree cats and my polo shirt with the emblem of the Royal Manticorean Navy on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Sci-fi
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Just accept that the gender roles in that time, are not what ours are. At least in Manticore/Haven and similar societies.

I think that the chief stumbling block for me in "just accepting" is that the characters in the books -- at least thus far -- can't be quite so accepting. When I read the dreaded b-word (bigotry), my eyes glaze over and my brain shuts off.

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Pepsuber wrote:
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Just accept that the gender roles in that time, are not what ours are. At least in Manticore/Haven and similar societies.

I think that the chief stumbling block for me in "just accepting" is that the characters in the books -- at least thus far -- can't be quite so accepting. When I read the dreaded b-word (bigotry), my eyes glaze over and my brain shuts off.



Are you looking at Grayson characters? Not all the planetary societies are the same. Grayson will learn. Some one will teach them.

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 Post subject: Re: Sci-fi
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Are you looking at Grayson characters? Not all the planetary societies are the same. Grayson will learn. Some one will teach them.

Haha, no, I was thinking of Honor's reaction to Grayson society.

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 Post subject: Re: Sci-fi
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Are you looking at Grayson characters? Not all the planetary societies are the same. Grayson will learn. Some one will teach them.

Haha, no, I was thinking of Honor's reaction to Grayson society.


Wait until you see Grayson's eventual reaction to Honor.

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 Post subject: Re: Sci-fi
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So, have any of you read Hyperion by Dan Simmons?

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 Post subject: Re: Sci-fi
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So, have any of you read Hyperion by Dan Simmons?



Yes.


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 Post subject: Re: Sci-fi
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 Post subject: Re: Sci-fi
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Ivar the Nut wrote:
Is it good?


I thought the 4 volume set of novels was good, without being outstanding. I might read it again. Certainly worth reading once. You'll need to read at least HYPERION and THE FALL OF HYPERION.

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 Post subject: Re: Sci-fi
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Re: Weber - Yes, he is a good writer and the battles are especially good. So, for that matter, is the political intrigue. But he's excessively wordy when Harrington gets introspective (which is quite often). And he never fails to remind the reader that she drinks cocoa and not coffee. Of course, he has sold lots and lots of books, and gives a lot away for free, so take my criticism for what it's worth. :)

Does Harrington ever battle against a female villain? I realize that there are female antagonists (Admiral Hemphill, for example) as well as pawns (Peep officers), but though four books I've not yet encountered a female villain. It stands to reason that if women are as capable as men that they will be found among the villains as well as among the heroes.

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 Post subject: Re: Sci-fi
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Pepsuber wrote:
Re: Weber - Yes, he is a good writer and the battles are especially good. So, for that matter, is the political intrigue. But he's excessively wordy when Harrington gets introspective (which is quite often). And he never fails to remind the reader that she drinks cocoa and not coffee. Of course, he has sold lots and lots of books, and gives a lot away for free, so take my criticism for what it's worth. :)

Does Harrington ever battle against a female villain? I realize that there are female antagonists (Admiral Hemphill, for example) as well as pawns (Peep officers), but though four books I've not yet encountered a female villain. It stands to reason that if women are as capable as men that they will be found among the villains as well as among the heroes.




Criticism? I see no criticism. Honor has a lot to think about. Much of this will connect up, over the time line.

Honor drinks cocoa. And practices coup de vitesse. And is proficient with the M1911. Some of these things are casting shadows. Some are merely personalty; Let's be about it.

And tree cats eat celery, as you will hear more than once. One cannot assume a reader is a reader of the entire line. Things must be repeated. Also (but not necessarily here), David is often planting seeds. He told me, many years ago, that he had the plot line essentially laid out, before he wrote the first book.

You will find female villains amongst the Havenite elite. And female idiots amongst the Manticoran elite. But The Salamander, as a line officer, will usually, at this stage of her career, meet her uniformed counterparts.

Keep going. We love our Honor.

You have now done BASILISK STATION, HONOR OF THE QUEEN, SHORT VICTORIOUS WAR and FIELD OF DISHONOR, yes? You ain't seen intrigue, yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Sci-fi
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I've been reading some Sci-fi books that some of my favorite movies are based on (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, Minority Report, etc). Can anyone recommend any good fun sci-fi books that are more recent and that isn't offensive to our faith. I'm a big fan of the old James Cameron movies and I'm also a big comic book geek. So anything along those lines.

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Cajun_Catholic_Guy wrote:
I've been reading some Sci-fi books that some of my favorite movies are based on (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, Minority Report, etc). Can anyone recommend any good fun sci-fi books that are more recent and that isn't offensive to our faith. I'm a big fan of the old James Cameron movies and I'm also a big comic book geek. So anything along those lines.



Since my SF tastes are not along the Dick/Cameron lines, beware.

David Weber, John Ringo/MARCH UPCOUNTRY/MARCH TO THE SEA/MARCH TO THE STARS. Anabasis in space

David Weber/THE APOCOLYPSE TROLL. USN vs UFOs

Niven, Pournelle, Barnes/LEGACY OF HEOROT and BEOWULF'S CHILDREN. Bad things happen to colonists on a far planet.

Harry Turtledove/The WORLDWAR SERIES (4 titles). WWII is interrupted by alien lizard invaders. Everybody fights.

Jack McDevitt/ENGINES OF GOD. Lots of Big Strange Things all over the Galaxy. Who made them and why? What does it all mean?

Jack McDevitt/MOONFALL. The moon is going to fall and crush us. A relative of mine saves the earth.



Yes, I like a little military mixed into my SF. What I'd really recommend is the David Weber Honor Harrington series, but it's long. My wife is searching through my books for the two she hasn't read yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Sci-fi
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I see you like books that have become movies:
1. "Children of Men" P.D. James (the book is way better than the movie)
2. "Planet of the Apes" Pierre Boulle (again the book is better - but very short).

You also like Dystopian so:
1. "Jennifer Government" by Max Barry

You clearly like Philip Dick so this novelisation of a Dick like movie ticks all your boxes:
1. Existenz
http://www.amazon.com/eXistenZ-Noveliza ... 0061020273
(I've not yet read it and reviewers don't seem to like it - still it might be worth giving it a go)

For comic novels, clearly, by a 100 miles, it has to be V for Vendetta (Alan Moore). Those Guy falkes masks are literally in every demostration from Cairo to London.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/V-Vendetta-Alan ... 1852862912

I have some more:

"12 monkeys" Elizabeth Hand
"Never Let Me Go" Kazuo Ishiguro
"The Road" Cormac McCarthy
"Blindness" Jose Saramago

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I don't know if anybody has already mentioned Dune. I've been reading them recently for the first time.


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2. "Planet of the Apes" Pierre Boulle (again the book is better - but very short).

Wasn't this book originally called Monkey World or something?

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The original title was French - I can't unfortunately read French.

Monkey would be a bad title - the Apes would need to be "big" at least as big as a man
for the story to work.

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The original title was French - I can't unfortunately read French.

Monkey would be a bad title - the Apes would need to be "big" at least as big as a man
for the story to work.



The title is La Planète des singes (I have the book in French). Literally that means the Planet of the Monkeys.

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