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I've recently read a couple of books about President Lincoln... realizing how little I knew with each book I read.

When I was young, world history excited me far more than US history :oops:

Hit me with your best recommends about the Civil War with in mind that I am not a big "excruciating detail of battles" kinda gal. Politics, social, economic, those are more my interests.

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Can't recommend anything specifically for the Civil War, but read "The Americans" by Daniel Boorstin within the past few years and thought it was great.

"Ethnic America" by Thomas Sowell is also another personal favorite.

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kage_ar wrote:
I've recently read a couple of books about President Lincoln... realizing how little I knew with each book I read.

When I was young, world history excited me far more than US history :oops:

Hit me with your best recommends about the Civil War with in mind that I am not a big "excruciating detail of battles" kinda gal. Politics, social, economic, those are more my interests.



Put out a call for Highlander. Highlander knows Civil War like I know Chesterton.

'Course, I know lots of other stuff like I know Chesterton. Highlander knows Civil War.

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I liked Lincoln: Speeches and Writings
Its the black cover and blue and red lines edition of American Literary Classics.

I enjoyed it because it gave you a window into how his mind changed over time, particularly his speeches in NY, and of course who doesn't love re-reading the Getttisburg Address.

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 Post subject: Re: American History Peeps
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I recommend The Gettysburg Gospel by Gabor Borritt. He scrapes away the layers of mythology that have accumulated over a century and a half to take the speech back to contemporary thought and context.

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For those who may have seen the entire Ken Burns Civil War documentary, do you recommend it?

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You might want to learn the history of our national anthem The Star Spangled Banner. It came from a poem written 200 years ago. :fyi:

I just came back hearing a professor speak about it. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: American History Peeps
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MySweetLord wrote:
For those who may have seen the entire Ken Burns Civil War documentary, do you recommend it?


I liked it.

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 Post subject: Re: American History Peeps
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kage_ar wrote:
... Hit me with your best recommends about the Civil War with in mind that I am not a big "excruciating detail of battles" kinda gal. Politics, social, economic, those are more my interests.


I'd start with Battle Cry of Freedom by McPherson. It is one volume and addresses the issues you focus upon. It is solid. But it is only a beginning, and it is a bit biased and flawed -- IMNSHO. For more detail and more military flavor Shelby Foote's The Civil War: A Narrative is the way to go; but it is in three volumes. And he can write.

As a beginning, one volume set of reads:

Political: Of course, you would need to specify pre-war, during the war, or post war -- as you would for almost every factor in the War. Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln by Goodwin. And she is a great writer.

Social: Again, what facet of social life -- at home, in the armies, and so on? Toward a Social History of the American Civil War: Exploratory Essays by Vinovskis
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Economics
: Here again, the when of it is critical. But, as pre-war background I'd look at Clash of Extremes: The Economic Origins of the Civil War
by Egnal.

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 Post subject: Re: American History Peeps
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MySweetLord wrote:
For those who may have seen the entire Ken Burns Civil War documentary, do you recommend it?
It is not bad, but is does have elements of modern revisionism -- and by that, I don't mean reevaluation based upon modern research. It covers many facets of the war and it does social history particularly well. And it can be mawkish.

If I had but one recommendation to make for a sense, a feeling, an impression of the Civil War -- in spite of my reservations, I 'd recommend Burns. I'd certainly use it teaching undergraduate history.

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lbt wrote:
You might want to learn the history of our national anthem The Star Spangled Banner. It came from a poem written 200 years ago. :fyi:

I just came back hearing a professor speak about it. :mrgreen:
War of 1812. Or the Second War of Independence -- as one could argue.

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 Post subject: Re: American History Peeps
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Future Mrs. Timmy wrote:
I recommend The Gettysburg Gospel by Gabor Borritt. He scrapes away the layers of mythology that have accumulated over a century and a half to take the speech back to contemporary thought and context.
I actually haven't read this, so I can't comment. As far a social history and cultural context, however, I can easily recommend Lincoln at Gettysburg The Words That Remade America by Wills. I believe it won the Pulitzer Prize.

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Has anyone here ever seen the film Andersonville? That one's hard to forget.

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POW camps on both sides were atrocious. To oversimplify, both the Northern and Southern camps were overcrowded and disease was endemic. In the South, there was insufficient food. In the North, the Southern boys did not have sufficient shelter or clothing for the Northern winters that they were not accustomed to.

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 Post subject: Re: American History Peeps
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POW camps on both sides were atrocious. To oversimplify, both the Northern and Southern camps were overcrowded and disease was endemic. In the South, there was insufficient food. In the North, the Southern boys did not have sufficient shelter or clothing for the Northern winters that they were not accustomed to.



The remains of a Southern POW camp, Camp Asylum, were excavated about 3 miles from where I sit, last year.

Kantor's ANDERSONVILLE (I think it was)impressed me greatly when I was a teen.

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The POW affair was a matter of Union strategy. Grant had the men to replace his troops in Confederate camps, and he knew that the Confederates couldn't replace the men in Union camps. Therefore there were no exchanges, which stressed the system (on both sides) greatly.

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Yes. Plus the Confederates (more than the Federals) who violated their parole.

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