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 Post subject: Re: My idea of the most beautiful aircraft ever made....
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Some other ones I like---even though they're Navy. But hey, nobody's perfect. :wink:

Grumman F-14 Tomcat:

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Vought F7U Cutlass (I had a cast-metal model of one of these as a small boy....today my son has it and plays with it)

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Douglas SBD Dauntless (IIRC, President George H.W. Bush flew one of these during the battle of Chichi Jima):

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and some Soviet models:

MiG-21 Fishbed:

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MiG-23 Flogger (look at that needle nose!):

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Mig-29 Fulcrum (wicked-looking airplane):

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And a couple of Japanese models:

Nakajima Type 97 Kate:

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Mitsubishi Type 11 Betty:

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I remember reading Steve Canyon comic books, flying a F-86, one of my favorites...




You were reading while flying an F-86?

When first seen in 1947, Steve was running an air transport business. But, of course, he could fly anything, including F-86s in Korea.

I collect reprints of Caniff's work.

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You can buy the TV series on DVD...

http://stevecanyondvd.blogspot.com/

I'm drawing a blank trying to remember it... :(

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Jakub wrote:
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I remember reading Steve Canyon comic books, flying a F-86, one of my favorites...




You were reading while flying an F-86?

When first seen in 1947, Steve was running an air transport business. But, of course, he could fly anything, including F-86s in Korea.

I collect reprints of Caniff's work.

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You can buy the TV series on DVD...

http://stevecanyondvd.blogspot.com/

I'm drawing a blank trying to remember it... :(




I've been aware that the dvds were coming out, but never chased them down. Should get them.

I can't recall the series on TV, either, and I was watching it in the relevant period (the 50s).

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...some 130's came over and airdropped all of our gear to us.
You hoped.

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...some 130's came over and airdropped all of our gear to us.
You hoped.


Yeah! ::):

They did a fairly good job, though. We didn't have to walk too far to retrieve it.... ::):


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Years ago, I was travelling in a VNAF large military plane over Viet Nam. We entered the plane from the back. It went bumpy as the plane lifted off the airport, but was flying smooth in flight. However, propellers were quite noisy.

People had difficulty to adjust seat belts as the plane wasn't an ordinary airline. Maybe they should use Vietnam Airline. :)

We flew from Saigon TSN Airport to Hue (it was a long trip) and went to the national Shrine of Our Lady of La Vang. Then we flew to Da Nang, then to Qui Nhon, and Bien Hoa.

An army person told me it was a Caribou, but I couldn't find any that actually had propellers just behind the wings (instead of usual in front of them).

If you know a Caribou plane that has that design, can you show me a picture?

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Did it look like this?

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If so, that may have been it. This is a Piaggio P.166, manufactured in Italy with 600 horsepower Lycoming turboprop engines mounted in a pusher design (behind the wing). It looks somewhat like a DeHavilland Caribou (shown below) and I guess could have been mistaken as one for someone not familiar with the design....

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Of course, I may be totally off the deep end, and GKC has a better answer. But I, personally, have never seen or heard of a Caribou with pusher engines.


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Desertfalcon wrote:
My top pics for American beauties of the sky... :salut:

The F104s used to fly right over my clothesline - not too far from the base.
The afterburners shook our windows at night when they were testing them.

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Linsou wrote:
Desertfalcon wrote:
My top pics for American beauties of the sky... :salut:

The F104s used to fly right over my clothesline - not too far from the base.
The afterburners shook our windows at night when they were testing them.

L.



The missile with a man in it was beautiful. But also called the widow maker, by the Germans who flew it. Or, occasionally, the lawn dart.

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Walking Wounded wrote:
B-52 bomber (they flew these out of Griffiss AFB when I was there):

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Love those big ugly birds.
The earth shakes when they fly over.

I was going to say they flew out of Tinker too.
I see I don't need to - since that's where your image is from.
(We're not too far from Tinker ... 30 miles, maybe a bit less.)

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GKC wrote:
Linsou wrote:
Desertfalcon wrote:
My top pics for American beauties of the sky... :salut:

The F104s used to fly right over my clothesline - not too far from the base.
The afterburners shook our windows at night when they were testing them.

L.



The missile with a man in it was beautiful. But also called the widow maker, by the Germans who flew it. Or, occasionally, the lawn dart.

GKCr.

The missile with a man in it was beautiful.
Yes it was.

(It was McConnell AFB, BTW)

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Walking Wounded wrote:
Did it look like this?

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If so, that may have been it. This is a Piaggio P.166, manufactured in Italy with 600 horsepower Lycoming turboprop engines mounted in a pusher design (behind the wing). It looks somewhat like a DeHavilland Caribou (shown below) and I guess could have been mistaken as one for someone not familiar with the design....

Image

Of course, I may be totally off the deep end, and GKC has a better answer. But I, personally, have never seen or heard of a Caribou with pusher engines.




Nope. No idea. I couldn't have come up with the Piaggio, either. But no US AF production pusher propeller aircraft I can recall, since the Peacemaker.


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Linsou wrote:
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Linsou wrote:
Desertfalcon wrote:
My top pics for American beauties of the sky... :salut:

The F104s used to fly right over my clothesline - not too far from the base.
The afterburners shook our windows at night when they were testing them.

L.



The missile with a man in it was beautiful. But also called the widow maker, by the Germans who flew it. Or, occasionally, the lawn dart.

GKCr.

The missile with a man in it was beautiful.
Yes it was.

(It was McConnell AFB, BTW)

L.



Was at McConnell a number of times in the 70s, visiting Boeing. Never knew it hosted F-104s. F-105s, yes.

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GKC wrote:
Linsou wrote:
GKC wrote:
Linsou wrote:
Desertfalcon wrote:
My top pics for American beauties of the sky... :salut:

The F104s used to fly right over my clothesline - not too far from the base.
The afterburners shook our windows at night when they were testing them.

L.



The missile with a man in it was beautiful. But also called the widow maker, by the Germans who flew it. Or, occasionally, the lawn dart.

GKCr.

The missile with a man in it was beautiful.
Yes it was.

(It was McConnell AFB, BTW)

L.



Was at McConnell a number of times in the 70s, visiting Boeing. Never knew it hosted F-104s. F-105s, yes.

GKC

Could be. 105 was clinking around in my mind too ...
104s, 105s, terminology of the mid-1960s.

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Linsou wrote:
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i]The missile with a man in it was beautiful.[/i]
Yes it was.

(It was McConnell AFB, BTW)

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Was at McConnell a number of times in the 70s, visiting Boeing. Never knew it hosted F-104s. F-105s, yes.

GKC

Could be. 105 was clinking around in my mind too ...
104s, 105s, terminology of the mid-1960s in that area. (so I may not have always known the difference ... )

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Black Bird Air Park is just about a mile n/o me...

http://www.palmdalecam.com/blckbird.htm

Joe Davies Heritage Air Park is adjacent to the Black Birds...

http://www.letsgoseeit.com/index/county ... irpark.htm

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Jakub wrote:
Black Bird Air Park is just about a mile n/o me...

http://www.palmdalecam.com/blckbird.htm

Joe Davies Heritage Air Park is adjacent to the Black Birds...

http://www.letsgoseeit.com/index/county ... irpark.htm



Thanks for the pics.

That stuff at Plant 42 is new since my days at Edwards.

Some of the Black Bird stuff I recall being on Edwards. And there's an A-12 at Wright-Patterson that I saw land there, coming from Edwards to the AF Museum.

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GKC wrote:
Linsou wrote:
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My top pics for American beauties of the sky... :salut:

The F104s used to fly right over my clothesline - not too far from the base.
The afterburners shook our windows at night when they were testing them.

L.



The missile with a man in it was beautiful. But also called the widow maker, by the Germans who flew it. Or, occasionally, the lawn dart.

GKC.

Yup, it was unforgiving. Gen. Erich Hartmann, (352 kills), was forced to retire from the 1960's Luftwaffe over his outspoken criticism of the F-104. Much of that was how the Germans and we Americans and Canadians utilised the aircraft. Other air forces such as the Norwegians, Turks and Pakistanis, fell in love with it. The Spanish did as well and never lost a single airframe or pilot in an accident.

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Linsou wrote:
Could be. 105 was clinking around in my mind too ...
104s, 105s, terminology of the mid-1960s in that area. (so I may not have always known the difference ... )

L.

The F-105...

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Years ago, I was travelling in a VNAF large military plane over Viet Nam. We entered the plane from the back. It went bumpy as the plane lifted off the airport, but was flying smooth in flight. However, propellers were quite noisy.

People had difficulty to adjust seat belts as the plane wasn't an ordinary airline. Maybe they should use Vietnam Airline. :)

We flew from Saigon TSN Airport to Hue (it was a long trip) and went to the national Shrine of Our Lady of La Vang. Then we flew to Da Nang, then to Qui Nhon, and Bien Hoa.


Very cool! :cloud9:

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