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 Post subject: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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I've attached a rough draft of the letter I'll send to the Archbishop about the experience I had on January 1. I had thought that I might need hard evidence, but I spoke to my confessor this weekend. He said a letter should be sufficient, and not to worry about spying on parishes too much. Just tell what I saw, leave it up to the Archbishop, and pray, etc.

Again, I know it's not finished, but what would you tweak? How can I be concise, without being rude? I think it needs a more fitting closing, but I tried to keep it to one page, and follow Fr. Z's suggestions.

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 Post subject: Re: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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Overall, I think it is very well put together. There is one omission early where you state: They were all vested in robes more like those of a deacon, than those of an acolyte. I would recommend adding the word "rather" in there so that the sentence reads as follows: They were all vested in robes more like those of a deacon, rather than those of an acolyte.


Other than that, I think it serves the purpose well. It is clear, succinct, and respectful. I might add at the end that you sought council on how to handle the matter before coming directly to the Archbishop, but that is about it.

Nice job, and thanks for standing up.


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 Post subject: Re: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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I have a few grammar nitpicks, but I don't have time to comment right now.

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 Post subject: Re: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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to which council did you go to seek counsel? 8-) :wave

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 Post subject: Re: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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Bagheera wrote:
You should not attach Word docs to a post in a public forum. There is identifying information in them.

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Although I'm not exactly incognito around here.

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 Post subject: Re: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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I have a few grammar nitpicks, but I don't have time to comment right now.

I can wait.

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 Post subject: Re: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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MySweetLord wrote:
Bagheera wrote:
You should not attach Word docs to a post in a public forum. There is identifying information in them.

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Although I'm not exactly incognito around here.

Fair enough

Can word now easily save as PDF, or do you still need a PDF printer?

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 Post subject: Re: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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Quote:
They also said most of the audible prayers, to include
"including," not "to include"
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The women helped distributed Communion, and were responsible for the vessels afterward.
Fix "helped distributed." (If Dominicatella were here, she would chasten you for the comma usage as well.)

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I am writing to describe my experience with Holy Mass at Sacred Heart Parish, on Eliot Street in Detroit. The Mass in question was at 10:00 a.m. on January 1, 2012. This particular Mass is described on Sacred Heart’s website as “Gospel” (in contrast to their “Traditional” Mass at 8:00 a.m.)
Strike the last sentence entirely. As for the first two: "I am writing to describe what I saw at Sacred Heart Parish, on Eliot Street in Detroit, at the 10:00 a.m. Mass of [or 'on'] January 1, 2012."

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Along with the pastor, Fr. Thomas, there were eight or so people at the altar. All except two were women.


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I honestly cannot remember if it was he who held his hands over the bread and wine, calling down the Holy Spirit to consecrate them,
If he did say the words of consecration, you probably should mention it.

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because I was disturbed by this
To what does "this" refer? Not to anything in the paragraph in which it appears.

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The women helped distributed Communion,
This is not in violation of anything.

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and were responsible for the vessels afterward.
More specific, please. Did they just carry them off the altar, or did they do the purifications?

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 Post subject: Re: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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To be clear

By words of consecration are meant "This is my Body..." and "This is the chalice of my blood..." If the priest did say those, but left out certain parts of the Eucharistic Prayer that is an abuse yes, but if he did not say those it is far worse, namely an invalid Mass. There is no calling down of the Spirit in the Roman Canon (at least not explicitly...some argue that this or that part of it is a remnant of such a prayer) btw, so omitting that would affect the validity though it would be wrong to do so of course.

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 Post subject: Re: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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Another thought: "Acolyte" is not what you mean; that refers (in Catholic terminology) to what used to be one of the minor orders and is now a ministry. What you mean is "altar server."

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 Post subject: Re: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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omitting that would NOT affect the validity though it would be wrong to do so of course.
FTFY :fyi: really, though as we noted in the other thread, omitting it would obscure his intention to celebrate according to an approved rite of the Church.

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 Post subject: Re: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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omitting that would NOT affect the validity though it would be wrong to do so of course.
FTFY :fyi: really, though as we noted in the other thread, omitting it would obscure his intention to celebrate according to an approved rite of the Church.

:salut:

It is impossible to not omissions of words when you think them as you write...your brain just tells you it is there when you glance back over!

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 Post subject: Re: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
What you mean is "altar server."


Also known as "alter server" (note the alternate spelling.

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 Post subject: Re: Draft Letter to Archbishop about women "priests"
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lbt wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
What you mean is "altar server."


Also known as "alter server" (note the alternate spelling.

Note that lbt is not (I hope) serious. "Altar" with an "e" is a verb. :fyi:

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