would you consider inviting her to Mass at your parish so she can see the difference (right vs wrong)

Sounds that "Mass" was supported by Bishop Gumbleton and Call to Action, too.

Nope...living within the Archdiocese of Los Angeles I have seen some weird stuff

We live approximately 40 minutes apart, so I would have more success (possibly) inviting her to one of the other Detroit parishes (prett much the halfway point). There is one parish a couple blocks from hers, and I've told her how beautiful I think this parish is; but I've never been to Mass there.

I know she's been to Mass elsewhere. She went to the same Catholic high school as me. She just didn't keep up with Mass attendance.

not a bad idea!! nice one!!

If it gives her a sense of peace, then it must be OK. That it may not have been a Mass is trivial in comparison.

Excuse the sarcasm. I will omit my usual comments on modernity. And secularism.

Not facere quod facit ecclesia.

GKC

At the very least, it hinders the Church from remedying any innocent defect. No ecclesia supplens need apply.

1. This is more than a liturgical abuse

but

2. Why must you trash an orthodox bishop like Vigneron? You know what, this crap happens in many dioceses (not in many parishes...not by any means) without the bishop really ever knowing or knowing enough to do anything

I went to a Mass in Austria that had women come up to concelebrate. But the very day before the Mass not only lacked any and all abuses, there was chant and people genuflecting to be blessed and a bunch of traditional elements. Tell me that the bishop could ever prove what was happening even if he knew..

3. I suggest we focus on the OP, and not armchairing the bishop, to whom we should look as to Christ in obedience. I think this protestant always second guessing bishops leads to nothing but ruin

i saw it differently.. perhaps to simplified.. the way i saw it, between going after voris and this situation, i think this situation is a bit more serious than voris.. perhaps the bishop has more info on voris than we do, but then again, it seems we (for example, ME, all the way in Brazil) have more info about what is going on in a church in his diocese..

Ugh why do so many Catholics think they have the right to sit around on the internet and opine about what they think the Bishops should and should not be doing?

well who do we go to with issues like this?

Issues like what? This disturbing Mass should be reported to the Bishop. What the Bishop does about it, and what he does about Voris, are up to him. It's not our job to "go to" anyone about that or second guess it.

So what's the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei for? As I understand it, we can write to them if the Bishop does not resolve the issue.

Tell me again what your issue is? You seem to be complaining that Bishop should be focusing on one thing instead of another. THAT is what I think you have no business complaining/making judgments about.

I just think THIS issue about the church is a "bigger fish to fry" than Voris, but that's just me. I did say that the Bishop MAY HAVE more info on Voris than we do. I think you may be mistaking me for someone else. That being said, I do think we can opine if a Bishop has addressed an issue or not, and if the Bishop does not resolve it, Ecclesia Dei can tell us if the Bishop acted correctly or not.

I think you are underestimating how big a fish Voris truly is. On average, he has one viewer in every county in the U.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

what's that, 57 by Obama's count?

that was states , not counties according to the anointed one

3500 for y'all not from around here.