Well I at least found your answer to Hebrews6:4-6;http://acts172.wordpress.com/2010/07/24 ... ebrews-64/
Contrary to popular belief, this passage does not teach that one may lose their salvation. All theological argument aside, this is proven by one very simple observation: salvation is not mentioned in these verses. The passage does teach that genuine Christians can lose their faith. If we wish to assert that losing one’s faith results in a loss of salvation, he must demonstrate that from other Scripture. The idea is simply not found here.
Ah yes it is as mentioned earlier, the passages in Hebrews6:4-6 mention those who have shared in the Holy Spirit
, this is a direct reference to salvation as mentioned in Ephesians4:30.
On the other hand, the passage actually supports “once saved always save.” Note that if the believer falls away (we are taking the references “enlightened,” “tasted” and “shared” as qualifying genuine Christians) that they cannot be brought back to repentance. That is, they cannot be restored to the confession they once held. The issue, then, is not the loss of salvation, but the loss of one’s confession and, by extension, the loss of one’s fellowship with the church.
"The loss of ones fellowship with church?" What exactly does that mean, you are either a member of the Body of Christ or you are not. Why did Christ also give the disciples the power to forgive sins(John20:22-23), if those who fell away could, "not be brought back to repentance?"
Why does Christ tell the disciples the procedure for bringing one back into the Church(Matthew18:15-17), if someone could lose, "one's fellowship with the church?"
The author of Hebrews presses his point in 6:6-8 with this illustration:
“Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.” (6:7-8)
The Christian under discussion is compared to a crop of farmland. If it is well tended, it is expected to bear fruit, but if it bears weeds instead, the farmer has no choice but to burn the land. The purpose of this burning is not to destroy it, but to allow him to start over. The fire does not, then, represent Hell. It represents God’s discipline (cf. Heb. 12:1-11).
This passage teaches that the consequence of falling away is not Hell but rather God’s discipline in our lives. As the author of this book says in Heb. 10:31, “It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” This passage is actually teaching the same thing that Paul said on I Corinthians 5:5, “I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.” Let us, then, strive to hold fast the confession of our faith!
Again, God does discipline those he loves, but how do you know when your suffering if it is a part of God's discipline, and not just a result of your sin? Also Matthew13:50 and John15:1-6 etc.....may also be seen to contradict your assertion that this burning is a purifying discipline, as the verse states, "it's end
is to be burned over." A purifying fire(purgatory) is more accurately described in 1Corinthians3:15.
Note that if the believer falls away (we are taking the references “enlightened,” “tasted” and “shared” as qualifying genuine Christians) that they cannot be brought back to repentance. That is, they cannot be restored to the confession they once held.
The bible says;
Acts3:19 Repent therefore, and turn to God so that your sins may be wiped out,
Romans13:5 so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually we are members one of another.
I'm seeing a lot of holes and contradictions in your interpretations Jac, they certainly don't line up with scripture as you claim they do.