HP Book 7 discussion --- no debate

Doom · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:48 pm

gherkin wrote:

True.

(Grindelwald, I think.)

I was thinking 'Glorfindel' but that didn't seem right...

gherkin · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:53 pm

Nope. Glorfindel is that elf that never seems to make it into film versions of LOTR. (Bakshi's move was better than Jackson's, for sure...)

St Veronica · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:09 pm

Ok I forgot about Malfoy (I can't remember how he got it from Dumbledore at the moment)...hmmm but how did Dumbledore get it back so it was buried with him?

I'm so confused....

SV

gherkin · **Posted:** Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:12 pm

Without rereading the scene, I'm just guessing, but I'd imagine Malfoy didn't catch the wand when Dumbledore lost it, and it just stayed there on his office floor when the Death Eaters all took off.

Signum Crucis · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:19 am

The wand chose Malfoy. Ollivander said that the wand chooses the master. My copy of the 6th book is in the house in town so I can't refer to it.

So Voldemort isn't the master of the Elder Wand because Malfoy was still alive, and the wand did not change its allegiance to Voldemort so Voldemort didn't have the unbeatable wand, (it was just a regular wand in his hands), so when Harry blocked his killing curse it bounced back to Voldemort (again), and Voldemort died. Fortunately his soul was so fractured already that none of what was left of it landed in Harry (again). I assume Harry returned Malfoy's hawthorn wand to him later. I also gather that the wand was returned to Dumbledore's grave to await the death of Malfoy and the end of the wand's power.

Did I leave anything out?

Closet Catholic · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:16 am

Signum Crucis wrote:

Closet Catholic wrote:

Signum Crucis wrote:

Neville's role was foretold in the Order of the Phoenix.

No, it was merely refreshened in our memory. His actions was foretold in the first book, where his action makes Gryffindor win over Slytherin.

Great, now I've got to read the whole series all over again.

I'm a little fuzzy on Malfoy's part in this. Especially his relationship to the Elder Wand. I think I understand why he was the Master, but after that I lost the train of progression. AD/HD brain coupled with about 3 hours sleep when I read that part. Can somebody help me out?

Draco disarmed Dumbledore on the tower, and became master of the Elder Wand. Harry disarmed Draco in the Malfoy mansion, and became the nest master. Somehow the Elder Wand "knew" (magically) that Harry had disarmed Draco, even though Draco didn't use the Elder Wand at the time (or did ever.)

Closet Catholic · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:20 am

Sorry for the crossposting(s)

Signum Crucis · **Posted:** Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:06 am

That's okay.

Signum Crucis · **Posted:** Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:00 am

Harry Potter and the Fire Breathing Fundamentalists

ledaub1 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:26 pm

Signum Crucis wrote:

Harry Potter and the Fire Breathing Fundamentalists

"I think the problem is that so much of the religious right failed to see the Christianity in the Potter novels because it knows so little Christianity itself."

Ouch! ::):

AussieGirl03 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:24 am **Posts:** 41

havent finished it yet up to page 267 i red the last chapter though love it i knew harry would marry ginny and ron would marry hermione

when my sister was little and it first came out she wanted hermione to marry harry funny right :)

AussieGirl03 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:24 am **Posts:** 41

Brendan wrote:

It turns out that Voldemort is really Harry's father. The spirit of Dumbledore tells Harry that he cannot be a true wizard unless Harry confronts Voldemort.

Harry senses the good that remains in Voldemort, and in the course of their Wizard duel, Harry converts Voldemort to the White Side.

Together they toss the Minister of Magic down an Energy shaft and destroy the Death Eater's Star.

Oh yea, and Hermione is actually Harry's twin sister.

In related news, Rawlings has announced a 7 book prequel series that focuses on how Tom Riddle became Lord Voldemort.

so star wars

AussieGirl03 · **Joined:** Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:24 am **Posts:** 41

Mrs B wrote:

Ivar wrote:

Brendan wrote:

viking wrote:

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:

Mine showed up at 10 a.m. I was done by 1. (Saturday morning is relaxation time, mostly.)

Am I reading this right? did you finish the book in one day??

(this is Ivar and not viking btw, borrowing his mac

)

I got mine at 6:00am and it was finshed by 5:30pm. Today was a special circumstances. I was heading into work to babysit some equipment being moved and happen to see an open bookstore on the way. The equipment move was fortunately uneventful :thumbsup:

Wow, you guys are fast readers :shock:

I wont finish in at least 2 - 4 days. Man I feel like a newbie :oops:

i am a slow reder but still sam has read it twice i couldnt belive it

Don't feel bad. My dd won't finish it until tomorrow, and I won't get started reading until Wednesday the earliest.

Deadpool · **Posted:** Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:45 pm

i finally finished my copy ,it took me 18 days (i took me so long 'cause it creeps me out so i can't read at night), and i was really disappoited at all the deaths. and doom i don't think there any missles

Sailor Kenshin · **Posted:** Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:07 pm

I just want to be part of this thread! ::):

lord voldemort · **Posted:** Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:32 am

Signum Crucis wrote:

Harry Potter and the Fire Breathing Fundamentalists

Quote:

But deeper than that, I think the problem is that so much of the religious right failed to see the Christianity in the Potter novels because it knows so little Christianity itself.

I agree with this. Not trying to cause a stir, but I do believe there is a lot of ignorance about christian history within the Protestant movement.

I love Harry Potter books, I noticed alot of paralles and I like learning about new ones that i come across. One can make a life long journey just studying Harry Potter and the various works she has used.

Louis-Marie Flambeau · **Posted:** Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:19 am

Signum Crucis wrote:

The wand chose Malfoy. Ollivander said that the wand chooses the master. My copy of the 6th book is in the house in town so I can't refer to it.

So Voldemort isn't the master of the Elder Wand because Malfoy was still alive, and the wand did not change its allegiance to Voldemort so Voldemort didn't have the unbeatable wand, (it was just a regular wand in his hands), so when Harry blocked his killing curse it bounced back to Voldemort (again), and Voldemort died. Fortunately his soul was so fractured already that none of what was left of it landed in Harry (again). I assume Harry returned Malfoy's hawthorn wand to him later. I also gather that the wand was returned to Dumbledore's grave to await the death of Malfoy and the end of the wand's power.

Did I leave anything out?

yes you left one itty bitty thing. Harry became the master of the Elder Wand when he disarmed Malfoy. That's why Harry says that he is the master now when he's dueling Voldemort and that is also why the Elder Wand couldn't be persuaded to kill Harry.

Closet Catholic · **Posted:** Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:17 pm

RaginCajunJoe wrote:

Signum Crucis wrote:

The wand chose Malfoy. Ollivander said that the wand chooses the master. My copy of the 6th book is in the house in town so I can't refer to it.

So Voldemort isn't the master of the Elder Wand because Malfoy was still alive, and the wand did not change its allegiance to Voldemort so Voldemort didn't have the unbeatable wand, (it was just a regular wand in his hands), so when Harry blocked his killing curse it bounced back to Voldemort (again), and Voldemort died. Fortunately his soul was so fractured already that none of what was left of it landed in Harry (again). I assume Harry returned Malfoy's hawthorn wand to him later. I also gather that the wand was returned to Dumbledore's grave to await the death of Malfoy and the end of the wand's power.

Did I leave anything out?

yes you left one itty bitty thing. Harry became the master of the Elder Wand when he disarmed Malfoy. That's why Harry says that he is the master now when he's dueling Voldemort and that is also why the Elder Wand couldn't be persuaded to kill Harry.

(Almost) Forecefingers...

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Sirius · **Posted:** Thu May 27, 2010 4:59 am

I was kinda disappointed by the internal inconsistency presented in book 7 in the resolution between Snape's use of Avada Kavadra in book 6 (you know where) and Bellatrix's description of the forbidden curses to Harry in book 5 (duel in the ministry of magic). Even thinking Bellatrix might not know everything about the curses, the series was never the same for me....

Any suggestions at resolution?

(Please excuse spelling/ content errors, I haven't really read any of this since the day after book 7 came out

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