christians than Catholic's....at least when it comes to the issue of life.

We're the most vocal pro-life church and yet we still nearly 50% of us vote with the party of death.

Yeah, go figure. The call was 49% of Catholics in PA went with Obama. I'm sickened by it all

If being a republican is what it takes to be a good christian this church really has lost its way. Neither of these parties is anything that could be confused with moral.

OK - fair enough. I should have stated it this way....

The candidate who was pro-life lost the vote to the candidate who was pro-death/abortion on demand and Catholics broke for the pro-death candidate.

There is no other issue that matters - let us not kid ourselves.

Greetings;

...the people got with the program when death was
close to the door; instead of shaded buildings in poor
neighborhoods.

by(e)carg

wooo! go evangelicals!!! (j/k). trust me from where I'm standing the Catholic faith has a lot going for it, don't be too bummed out. we evangelicals are just so hard to pin down that we don't know what the count is.

I think if you broke that figure down into Catholics who attend Mass regularly versus those who don't, you'd see something a little different.

Obama is the most fanatically pro-abortion candidate ever, and the Catholic Church in America got on their knees and worshiped him. I am sickened and disgusted beyond words.

But, get ready folks, after January 20, every abortion is America will be paid for with your tax dollars. And if you criticize it, you're racist.

You and me both, sickened that is.



I'm already racist, so I can criticize away.

I wonder how long it will take for the March for Life to be outlawed.

Catholics in the US have long been raised in the shadow of "Be Catholic, but be quiet about it." which is a hold over of the policies of the colonies. One of the first bids to keep Catholics out was the proposal for the constitution designed to make one renounce the Pope before one could be a citizen of the US.

In all things, unlike the evangelicals or any other Christian group, we have had to choose whether we are American Catholics or Catholic Americans. Which is the noun and which is the adjective has a great bearing on how we live. Yet, today there are few who actually know that they are making that choice and they simply go with the flow.

If one could actually talk to those voters I think one would find that American Catholics voted for the sanctity of life. Catholic Americans voted their misplaced morality without considering what it did to the sanctity of life in America.

I think this is a very important point. Protestantism is a collection of denominations if thrust together wouldn't look all that different from Catholicism. We have our dissenters within. Theirs just form new denominations and magically disappear from the rolls of Evangelicals on election day. Also, before we lay blame at the feet of the bishops I think we first need to be a little realistic about what a completely galvanized effort by them would have resulted in. The same folks who already listen would have. A few more would have. The dissenters would have turned away. Its part and parcel of being a dissenter. We also need to keep in mind that over 100 bishops in the United States made statements of some sort. Compare that to what you remember from the Kerry election ... too little too late? Maybe ... but certainly not completely passive and certainly not the cause.

Shouldn't we level some criticism at the Republican party for drifting to the middle and offering up a candidate that was so easy for liberal Catholics to undermine with their "economics reduces abortion" and "well he ain't exactly pro-life" and "like the Republicans are really going to do something about abortion" cases. Furthermore the third party case was more compelling for Catholics in this election than in any election I can remember. Divided we fall ... and when they (meaning the Republicans) are not with us we owe them no allegiance. From the second article I linked inIt will be interesting if the bishops when they get together and talk about this soon will have any real solutions to the problem of a divided Catholic voice in American politics.

Absolutely, moreover we can blame the GOP for the increase in the size and scope of the federal government under Bush as well as the centralization of power in the executive. I'm sure a lot of conservatives found this very unpalatable, and with no sign that McCain would do anything about it, they stayed home, voted third party, or voted for Obama to punish the GOP.

i would HOPE that was true Fr

I feel kind of out of place with this one. Since I converted and joined the "Church of Rome" (my old Protestant term for the Catholic Church) I could not be happier about it! I just want to run up to people and tell them I'm Catholic! Get some t-shirt and let the whole world know.

I find my self wanting to tell every Catholic I meet (if I get a hint they are Catholic from a rosary on the rear view mirror or a medal) Hey, I converted.

So I guess in this respect I'm not very Catholic.

I know it's a bit off topic but I'm so amazed by the Church I can't believe all Christians don't want to be Catholic. I know they don't but it's still hard to believe...

Fr. Zuhlsdorf has posted some handy stats:

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2008/11/some-sta ... ics-voted/

Admittedly this should probably be taken with a grain of salt, since I strongly doubt 44% of Catholics assist at Mass weekly (11%+14% = 25%, 11/25 = 44%); however, looking at the Catholic vote in 2004 and comparing it with this year's is very instructive. Bottom line is that the GOP lost ground among Catholics of all stripes, but especially among those who say they don't assist at Mass weekly.