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 Post subject: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:28 am 
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Has anyone heard of the religious community for women - Daughters of the Heart of Mary?

I know their web site is http://www.dhmna.org in the U.S. and http://www.dhmary.com in the UK... but has anyone actually met one of these sisters or know of one personally?

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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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I looked at their page, and one of the answers on the FAQ just caused me more question ...

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Question: Are you a religious order or a secular institute?

Answer: Women and men who profess vows and belong to Religious Communities, are referred to under Canon Law as members of Religious Institutes. The term Institute can be the cause of confusion for some. In more common terminology, religious institutes are what people still call religious congregations, orders, or communities.

Our Society, The Daughters of the Heart of Mary, is a Religious Institute. In addition, we report directly to the Pope (the Pontiff) rather than to the local leadership (bishop) of a particular diocese, so we are further categorized by Canon Law as a Pontifical Religious Institute.

Secular institutes are organizations of like-minded Catholic laity or clerics who share a certain vision lived out personally, not communally.

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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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Ancient Oracle,

:? What about the FAQ question and response is bothering you?

I thought I understood what they said about religious institutes and secular institutes...

Did I miss something that seems to be implied in their answer???

Please let me know.

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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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I expected a Religious order.

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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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I expected a Religious order.


I think the word "Order" is generally reserved to the long-established orders... Benedictines, Dominicans, Franciscans, etc. I believe newer "orders" are generally called communities.

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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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No... from what I've read of documents coming out of Rome, the "official" term for all religious congregations, religious orders, or religious communities, i.e. those who take the evangelical vows of Poverty, Chastity and Obedience, is now "Religious Institute." They are differentiated from the "apostolic societies" and "secular institutes."

Although they are called "religious institutes" as an official term, the common or informal use of "orders" or "congregations" or "communities" remains used as they have been for many years.

The Daugters of the Heart of Mary are then a religious order, not a secular institute, or apostolic society.

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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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A little spin going on ...

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Question: What type of habit did you have in the past?

Answer: Unlike religious congregations who wore a habit or still wear one, our community members have always worn clothing comparable to that worn by the laity. This allows us to penetrate deeply the milieu (times and surroundings) in which we live and serve. For example: we were able to have sisters living and serving behind the "iron curtain" for many years because without distinctive dress or symbol, no one suspected that they were religious women.



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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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I'm not sure why it's "spin"? It sounds like an act of incredible bravery in the service of Christ. Can you imagine what would have happened to them if they had been discovered operating within the Soviet Empire? They deserve commendation.

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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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They make their answer sound as if orders with traditional habits are not courageous, or willing to stand out - whereas for s nun to wear a habit on our streets requires fortitude.

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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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I didn't detect anything critical of other's practices in their explanation.

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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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I'm with you Sons of Thunder... I don't see anything wrong with their explanation.

The Daughters of the Heart of Mary are active in spreading the gospel message of Jesus... have been doing it for a couple hundred years... and even support the Pope. They are Pontifical group so that means they report into the Pope rather than the local Bishop... doesn't it?

Ancient Oracle... are you a pessimist? or just having a bad day?

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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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The terms used in their FAQ (order, religious institute, etc.) are straight out of canon law.

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no one suspected that they were religious women.


We have too many like that.

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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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About the last post - you are taking things out of context.

For someone reading only these posts - I strongly suggest that you go to the website for the Daughters of the Heart of Mary to see the actual questions and answers...

http/wwwdhmna.org


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As you suggested, I went to their website.

Have you looked at their "links" page?

The groups they link to are unreliable at best.

Sistersonline is one of the worst. You can find links there that support FR. MAREK BOZEK and the radical feminist "Theologian" Sandra Schneiders is linked there raging about "a fake war being stirred up by the Vatican" because the Holy Father wants visitations to seminaries and religious orders.

Then there is this site. Look who they are honoring on the cover of their latest magazine:

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It appears that the Daughters of the Heart of Mary are principally about leftist political ideas. I definitely could not recommend them to anyone.

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It also should be noted that Paige3 is not someone wondering about the Daughters of the Heart of Mary, but she is part of them and is here to advertise for them. A quick glance at her email shows this thread is simply an advertisement meant to appear as someone who wants information on the Daughters of the Heart of Mary.

Edit: Paige3 appears is a Vocation Director for the Daughters of the Heart of Mary.

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Deceit seems to be an element of their modus operandi. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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Nice.

For what it's worth, Paige3 - I wouldn't recommend a religious "order" that doesn't wear habits to anyone.

There's a reason that communities like yours are dying off and having a "vocations crisis" while orders like this one here are bursting at the seams.

Maybe you should go visit them and find out what their secret is instead of masquerading as someone you're not on message boards.
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 Post subject: Re: Daughters of the Heart of Mary
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FWIW, she didn't say she was seeking information about them for herself. But she could have been (and should have been) much more open about who she is and why she is posting.

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