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 Post subject: Ashes: Self-administration?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:31 am 
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Yesterday (Tuesday before Ash Wednesday) on the local Catholic radio station there was a talk program with a woman host and a regular priest guest. On one topic the priest mentioned something about which I had never heard.

He said that if he were pastor of a church, in addition to a number of Ash Wednesday services, he would leave the ashes available for self-administration. There was no mention of documental permission for that practice, but the justification he gave was that the ashes are a sacramental (not a sacrament) and like holy water could be self-administered even by a layperson!

I would consider self-administration, even if legal(?), a poor substitute for normal administration (even by a lay minister).

[There was then some discussion between him and the host about the differences between men and women in the wearing of ashes with the consensus that a mirror would be needed for self-administration by women.]


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 Post subject: Re: Ashes: Self-administration?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:49 am 
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Not sure, but one aspect is that the ashes are symbolic, not sacramental - perhaps regulations on self administration do not apply.

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 Post subject: Re: Ashes: Self-administration?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:04 pm 
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I'm not sure I can point to something that says, "Thou shalt not self-adminster ashes," but I'm afraid I rather think this falls into the category of things that should be so obvious as not to need an instruction.

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 Post subject: Re: Ashes: Self-administration?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:41 pm 
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I'm not sure I can point to something that says, "Thou shalt not self-adminster ashes," but I'm afraid I rather think this falls into the category of things that should be so obvious as not to need an instruction.
Just so there is no mistake: I was against the idea from the time I heard the priest mention it on the radio.

However, I am not quite as sure it belongs in our usual understanding of "category of things that should be so obvious as not to need an instruction".

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 Post subject: Re: Ashes: Self-administration?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:02 pm 
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Not that I am for it either but, in the Book of Job - no one else administered the ashed to Job - it was his job.

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 Post subject: Re: Ashes: Self-administration?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:16 pm 
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I don't know about the OF but if you look at the prayers in the EF it's implied in a few places that the ashes are received rather than self-administered, FWIW.

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 Post subject: Re: Ashes: Self-administration?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:26 pm 
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On a similar topic, Drive through ashes!

http://www.wjfw.com/stories.html?sku=20110309125323

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 Post subject: Re: Ashes: Self-administration?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:02 pm 
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The deacon at the jail went around administering ashes to all the staff who wanted them.

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