The Second Commandment and passages like 2146 and 2155 in the Catechism are not subjective opinions, are they?

What you really need to do is take an anger management class, and learn to stop flipping out and throwing a massive tantrum over every minor disagreement you have with someone.

It's not a matter of opinion.

No it isn't. It's a mortal sin.

I want to get out of the thread, and I will, but I can't let that abuse pass:

1857 - For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.

I know that what I said is not offensive in the abstract, although it may be offensive to some people here. For my saying "oh my God" to be a mortal sin, I had to do it with "full knowledge" that it was a mortal sin. But I don't think it is, and I don't see it that way, so it ain't. The Pope is going to have infallibly proclaim that phrase is a mortal sin before I am convinced it is. Your judgemntal high horse is just a leeeeetle too high up in the clouds there.

WHen I teach classes in communication, I always emphasize that communication is not only what you said, but what the other person heard. What images did you place in someone's head? With this in mind, communication comes with a responsibility. WHile you may not be offended by a casual expletive or as may be the case a vulgar expletive, you have a duty to no place unwanted images in the minds of others.

There are many on this board who are extremely plain in their speech. I believe Doom's favorite rendition of people whose fathers are not married to their mothers goes along that lines. For most that is not causing undue concern. However, when you use the Lord's name in vain, even if you may not have wrong intentions, you cause the little voice in my mind that reads your words into brain to take the Lord's name in vain and whether your intentions are good or bad, everyone who read your post, has now taken the Lord's name in vain mentally along with you. You are responsible for that. THose who do not choose to use the Lord's name in such a casual manner are right to rail back about you putting such a thing in their head. That does not make them girly or less manly, etc. It makes them more respectful of the Lord.

"Oh my god" is not a mortal sin. Saying Jesus Christ as an expletive is.

Roger that. But what they heard cannot change my intent or what I felt in my heart..



Well if that's the case, then Doom has commited multiple mortal sins for the snotty way he continually talks to me. I don't mind playing by those rules as long as everyone plays by those rules.


I am not surprised at the hypocrisy.



There ain't no way on earth I am responsible for what other people THINK. Good grief man, I could use that to blame everyone from here to kingdom come for every crappy thing that floats through my head.

read her post again slowly and maybe you'll catch on terry

ANd many people are responsible for the crappy things that float in your head. The fact that you allow them to float crap in your head repeatedly is your responsibility. If I search for an inoffensive key word on the internet and get a site where the first page is graphic porn, someone is responsible for putting that image in my head. If I return to that site and allow those images to be placed in my head, I am responsible.

When you posted the Lord's name in vain and all of us read it, you were responsible -- there was no warning -- BOOM, there it was and my mind had read it. If you are allowed to continue to do so on this board, then we are saying that this board, as a Catholic board, has decided that the commandment against taking the Lord's name in vain does not apply. At that point the mods of this board share responsibility for what you are placing in the heads of others. This is why it is an issue.

Well so far 12 people to 1 think it's offensive.


SV

I think they are voting out of dislike for me more than anything else, not that I really care. Actually, since the OP still bears my name and I didn't write any of it, I'd appreciate it if it were locked.

When The Passion of the Christ first came out, nearly the entire seminary went to see it as a group. We were walking out of the theater in complete silence when it was over--not because we had been ordered to do that, but because there was nothing to say. Then someone (not a seminarian) shouted our Lord's Name (two word version) in anger at someone else. It felt as if I had been smacked in the face.

That's when I intuitively understood why it's always wrong to speak that way.

Did the film itself offend you? Many people WERE offended by it. Does that make Mel Gibson a mortal sinner for offending people with his film?

Are you a moral relativist? (I ask that sincerely, not as a rhetorical question to bait you.)

In other words, do you think there are things that are objectively wrong, and not just wrong in someone's opinion?

If there is one thing that I have always noted about this board, people do not choose sides by who they like or dislike. I have seen Catholics arguing with some foul atheists (they really were foul it is not a general statement about atheists) and the Catholic has been in error on something. I have seen other Catholics take a position counter to that Catholic they like and side with a foul atheist. Nobody is bearing false witness because they dislike you. To accuse them of breaking the commandment against bearing false witness lacks charity.

You will note in the section I quoted above from a moral theology handbook that Desert Sailor was wrong to state that the misuse of the name of Our Lord is always a mortal sin. (Please note that I am arguing against DS here.)

KT, how on earth can you not find this objectively sinful? Seriously? You are taking the Lord's name in vain without question.

You know it's quite prideful to think that the reason is due to dislike of you.


SV