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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:46 pm 
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I need to get a Latin dictionary. Does it matter which one I get? This one is only $5.99 new and got 4.5 stars on Amazon, so is that one fine?

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I think you'll want an ecclesiastical Latin dictionary. The only one I know of is this one: http://www.amazon.com/Dictionary-Eccles ... 332&sr=1-1 It's not terrific, but it's not awful and it's the only game in town.

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 Post subject: Re: Latin Dictionary
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OK, cool, thanks, Father. That makes sense. After I posted the thread I saw that for the dictionary I linked to in the OP, one of the reviewers said they chose that one because it included vulgarities... That sort of made me wonder whether it would have the vocab I would need.

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I think you'll want an ecclesiastical Latin dictionary. The only one I know of is this one: http://www.amazon.com/Dictionary-Eccles ... 332&sr=1-1 It's not terrific, but it's not awful and it's the only game in town.

But it also really is not a Latin dictionary as such. It is a dictionary of ecclesiastical jargon. Helpful for looking up a term, eg. latae sententiae, but not helpful for reading Latin unless you already have at least a basic vocabulary down.

Langenscheidt Pocket Latin Dictionary is my favorite for small and portable. Lewis and Short obviously if you need a giant comprehensive dictionary. The one in the OP is good, Traupmann also did a conversational Latin book. Ignore the comment about vulgarities. They should be in the dictionary. How else would you read any classical Latin?

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 Post subject: Re: Latin Dictionary
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Thanks, PED.

So unless Father disagrees I guess I should just get some normal looking Latin dictionary. I'm going to go to the bookstore soon to look at Bibles (which I prefer to look at in person rather than buy online) so maybe I'll check out the Latin dictionaries, too.

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I'm not sure what book PED thinks this is, but it's not a book of ecclesiastical terms. It does have a supplement of those in the back, to be sure, but the editor's goal was "to prepare as inclusive a listing as possible of words from Sacred Scripture, from the Code of Canon Law, from the liturgy, and from the documents of Vatican II." It's a Latin-English dictionary focusing on terms as they are used in the Church. I do not think Domincatella is planning to read classical Latin in general, but wishes to concentrate on things written in an ecclesiastical context.

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 Post subject: Re: Latin Dictionary
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I'm not sure what book PED thinks this is, but it's not a book of ecclesiastical terms. It does have a supplement of those in the back, to be sure, but the editor's goal was "to prepare as inclusive a listing as possible of words from Sacred Scripture, from the Code of Canon Law, from the liturgy, and from the documents of Vatican II." It's a Latin-English dictionary focusing on terms as they are used in the Church. I do not think Domincatella is planning to read classical Latin in general, but wishes to concentrate on things written in an ecclesiastical context.

Well that does sound just like what I need. My guess is that it will be mainly for the psalms, prayers, and scripture, at least in the beginning.

You two can duke it out and I'll buy whatever you tell me. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Latin Dictionary
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See if this preview looks good to you: http://books.google.com/books?id=vNREAA ... &q&f=false

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The Langenschmidt one is smaller and more portable; the one I recommended is larger and less portable. I don't know how much space/weight/convenience of transport play into your decision.

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See if this preview looks good to you: http://books.google.com/books?id=vNREAA ... &q&f=false

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You are so crazy it even takes me by surprise every once in a while. :P

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
The Langenschmidt one is smaller and more portable; the one I recommended is larger and less portable. I don't know how much space/weight/convenience of transport play into your decision.
I don't know either. I have no idea how I'm getting all this stuff to the convent anyway. I'm pretty sure I can't get everything there by myself in a suitcase. (This is probably one reason they want parents to accompany you! To help transport things!)

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 Post subject: Re: Latin Dictionary
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
See if this preview looks good to you: http://books.google.com/books?id=vNREAA ... &q&f=false


Hmm. That's about QUINCE, nothing related to Latin.

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I'm not sure what book PED thinks this is, but it's not a book of ecclesiastical terms. It does have a supplement of those in the back, to be sure, but the editor's goal was "to prepare as inclusive a listing as possible of words from Sacred Scripture, from the Code of Canon Law, from the liturgy, and from the documents of Vatican II." It's a Latin-English dictionary focusing on terms as they are used in the Church. I do not think Domincatella is planning to read classical Latin in general, but wishes to concentrate on things written in an ecclesiastical context.

This is true, perhaps jargon was the wrong way to describe it. But it limps as a stand alone dictionary. You will get more of the Psalms or St. Thomas using Caswell. It has a very limited vocabulary is the issue, precisely because it focuses on words that have an ecclesiastical twist to them. For instance, on any given page of the Vulgate dozen or more words will be missing. I guess it matters how much mileage you need to get from it.

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 Post subject: Re: Latin Dictionary
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My own feeling is that we need two Latin dictionaries: ecclesiastical and classical.

With them, you would be able at least read those Latin documents from the Vatican site:

http://www.vatican.va/latin/latin_index.html

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I'm only getting one.

I guess if it's true that the one Father suggested would be lacking when it comes to scripture, particularly the psalms, then I'll just get one of the normal ones, the Caswell or the one in the OP maybe. (The one with the funny name starting with L is harder to fine, it looks like.)

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