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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:14 pm 
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You know, the children's rhyme, where the old man plays knick knack and comes rolling home.

I'm sure some of ye olde codgers must've played knick knack as kids. So what is knick knack?

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FWIW ...
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=258189
http://askville.amazon.com/nick-nack-pa ... Id=9973847

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My wife has many on shelves. I often have an Irishman strike them...a paddywhack.

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I sang the song as a child and my three older children sang it.

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Here ya go.... info on the old codger and "Paddywack" (Highlander is close on that one): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Old_Man

Yep, it's English.

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My wife has many on shelves. I often have an Irishman strike them...a paddywhack.



IIRC, the song is what Nazis goose-stepped to.

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I don't think the lyrics mean anything, I think it is important to remember that most of the time when people write songs they aren't trying to give them any deep meaning, they are just stringing words together because they sound good....whether the song is 'Ring Around the Roise' (which, contrary to myth is NOT about the black plague) or 'I Am The Walrus', most songs are just complete gibberish...especially songs written for children....

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:18 pm 
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I don't think the lyrics mean anything, I think it is important to remember that most of the time when people write songs they aren't trying to give them any deep meaning, they are just stringing words together because they sound good....whether the song is 'Ring Around the Roise' (which, contrary to myth is NOT about the black plague) or 'I Am The Walrus', most songs are just complete gibberish...especially songs written for children....


And yet there is a fair amount of scholarship on the subject.

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GKC wrote:
Doom wrote:
I don't think the lyrics mean anything, I think it is important to remember that most of the time when people write songs they aren't trying to give them any deep meaning, they are just stringing words together because they sound good....whether the song is 'Ring Around the Roise' (which, contrary to myth is NOT about the black plague) or 'I Am The Walrus', most songs are just complete gibberish...especially songs written for children....


And yet there is a fair amount of scholarship on the subject.

GKC


You are correct, sir. It relates to the appearance of the plague, the smell and death rate. There are other song lyrics, especially relating to Christmas time (A partridge in a pear tree) that relates to Catholic persecution in the UK (I'm from the UK). We're taught about these things at school. Rhymes and songs of this nature very often have a meaning or hidden message.

First of all its "Ring around the Roses", Second it's the Plague or "Black Death".

The village of Eyam known as "The Plague Village" prevented the spread of the plague into the North of England after a local tailor George Viccars, received from London a flee infested bolt of cloth. Within a week Viccars was dead from the plague and was buried on 7th Sept. 1665. To prevent the spread of the plague the village quarantined itself from surrounding towns and villages. Over a period of some 14 months the villagers suffered from the plague and out of a population of 350 only 83 survived. The plague never spread beyond Eyam. I and members of my family of course, have visited Eyam in the Derbyshire High Peak District. (The pub grub there aint cheap)!

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Doom wrote:
I don't think the lyrics mean anything

They mean something to him...

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Mick wrote:
GKC wrote:
Doom wrote:
I don't think the lyrics mean anything, I think it is important to remember that most of the time when people write songs they aren't trying to give them any deep meaning, they are just stringing words together because they sound good....whether the song is 'Ring Around the Roise' (which, contrary to myth is NOT about the black plague) or 'I Am The Walrus', most songs are just complete gibberish...especially songs written for children....


And yet there is a fair amount of scholarship on the subject.

GKC


You are correct, sir. It relates to the appearance of the plague, the smell and death rate. There are other song lyrics, especially relating to Christmas time (A partridge in a pear tree) that relates to Catholic persecution in the UK (I'm from the UK). We're taught about these things at school. Rhymes and songs of this nature very often have a meaning or hidden message.

First of all its "Ring around the Roses", Second it's the Plague or "Black Death".

The village of Eyam known as "The Plague Village" prevented the spread of the plague into the North of England after a local tailor George Viccars, received from London a flee infested bolt of cloth. Within a week Viccars was dead from the plague and was buried on 7th Sept. 1665. To prevent the spread of the plague the village quarantined itself from surrounding towns and villages. Over a period of some 14 months the villagers suffered from the plague and out of a population of 350 only 83 survived. The plague never spread beyond Eyam. I and members of my family of course, have visited Eyam in the Derbyshire High Peak District. (The pub grub there aint cheap)!



Most of the sources I own do not accept the plague connection with the rhyme (OXFORD DICTIONARY OF NURSERY RHYMES, ANNOTATED MOTHER GOOSE), while the 12 Days of Christmas as a reference to Catholicism has been discussed and debunked on this board before.

There is scholarship around on the subject of fairy tales, generally, but what I've read, on these two points, disagrees with you.

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 Post subject: Re: This old man
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Highlander wrote:
Woof, woof!



And here I thought you'd be commenting on my "goosestepping" post.

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GKC wrote:
Mick wrote:
GKC wrote:
Doom wrote:
I don't think the lyrics mean anything, I think it is important to remember that most of the time when people write songs they aren't trying to give them any deep meaning, they are just stringing words together because they sound good....whether the song is 'Ring Around the Roise' (which, contrary to myth is NOT about the black plague) or 'I Am The Walrus', most songs are just complete gibberish...especially songs written for children....


And yet there is a fair amount of scholarship on the subject.

GKC


You are correct, sir. It relates to the appearance of the plague, the smell and death rate. There are other song lyrics, especially relating to Christmas time (A partridge in a pear tree) that relates to Catholic persecution in the UK (I'm from the UK). We're taught about these things at school. Rhymes and songs of this nature very often have a meaning or hidden message.

First of all its "Ring around the Roses", Second it's the Plague or "Black Death".

The village of Eyam known as "The Plague Village" prevented the spread of the plague into the North of England after a local tailor George Viccars, received from London a flee infested bolt of cloth. Within a week Viccars was dead from the plague and was buried on 7th Sept. 1665. To prevent the spread of the plague the village quarantined itself from surrounding towns and villages. Over a period of some 14 months the villagers suffered from the plague and out of a population of 350 only 83 survived. The plague never spread beyond Eyam. I and members of my family of course, have visited Eyam in the Derbyshire High Peak District. (The pub grub there aint cheap)!



Most of the sources I own do not accept the plague connection with the rhyme (OXFORD DICTIONARY OF NURSERY RHYMES, ANNOTATED MOTHER GOOSE), while the 12 Days of Christmas as a reference to Catholicism has been discussed and debunked on this board before.

There is scholarship around on the subject of fairy tales, generally, but what I've read, on these two points, disagrees with you.

GKC


And, as to such scholarship, the most comprehensive is --

http://www.snopes.com/language/literary/rosie.asp

Wiki addresses it -- not as well -- citing the English interpretation specifically:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_a_Ring_o'_Roses

I do recollect, from a long ago college class on the folk tale, that children's rhymes (at least until the modern electronic, instant communication era, evolve rather rapidly and branch out widely.

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Highlander wrote:
Woof, woof!



And here I thought you'd be commenting on my "goosestepping" post.

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Woof, woof!



And here I thought you'd be commenting on my "goosestepping" post.

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Mother Goose stepped?


I worry about your memory.

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Woof, woof!



And here I thought you'd be commenting on my "goosestepping" post.

GKC
Mother Goose stepped?


I worry about your memory.

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I keep posting duplicates.

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Highlander wrote:
GKC wrote:
Highlander wrote:
GKC wrote:
Highlander wrote:
Woof, woof!



And here I thought you'd be commenting on my "goosestepping" post.

GKC
Mother Goose stepped?


I worry about your memory.

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And you are?



The one you told that "This Old Man" fit goose-stepping Nazis perfectly.

Can't get the tune out of my head when I see film of the SS stomping down the Wilhemstrasse.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZVXs_kG ... re=related


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