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 Post subject: Liber Usualis query.. dedication of a church?
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Anybody know if a Mass celebrating the dedication of a new church is to be found in ye olde standarde Liber?


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whoops... found it on page 1250....

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Post-padding thread!!!!!!1

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haha..
it's interesting... because my (ex)sister-in-law and I ordered at the same time from the same place.. with the exception of all the meat of the book (in latin, natch), hers is entirely in english.
every single thing in my copy is in latin, and I was having some dificulty finding it...

all is well!

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Mmmmmmm ... meat.

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Mmmmmmm ... meat.


Since this is a post-padding thread, this might as well be the place I ask someone to explain this joke to me.

Edit: I knew this was how this would turn out, yet I did it anyway. What does that make me?

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Sinty wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Mmmmmmm ... meat.


Since this is a post-padding thread, this might as well be the place I ask someone to explain this joke to me.

Edit: I knew this was how this would turn out, yet I did it anyway. What does that make me?

I am not sure how to explain it...it isn't peculiar to this message board....

Think of Homer Simpson. Doh! Nuts! Mmmm...donuts..


Now there are some peculiar things to this board, like battling the scourge of gherkinism (and calling for gherkin's banning).


Hey! F/J's grandmother is peculiar. :cry:

And things like that

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 Post subject: Re: Liber Usualis query.. dedication of a church?
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I was at the dedication of the church in Tanzania that our parish helped build.

It was a 6 hour Mass.

And it was an incredible experience.
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They don't do things half way there. When the altar was blessed with Holy Oil, the Bishop covered it. When the fire was brought in for dedicating the altar, it was not a few charcoals in a thurible, but a full blown brazier 3ft across, they used a whole mayonassie jar of incense.

When the Sancturary was incensed, the bishop swung the thurible so low, it was almost touching the marble, and he went back and forth until every sqr inch was incenses.

The same thing happened when the nave and walls were blessed with holy water, a priest went up and down each row of people ( there are no pews, everyone brings their own chairs or goes without.

And outside as well.

I brought 2 32G cards for my camera and still filled it all up.

The relics for the altar were those of St. Maria Goretti. Since I was staying at the bishop's residence, I got to see them and venerate them the nite before the dedication.
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And here is what the church looked like in July 2010, when I was first there.

The 'tent' area is where the parish had been holding Mass ( and thus the need for an actual parish church)


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GREAT PICS!


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Thanks!

Tanzania is about 1/3 Muslim, 1/3 Christian (mostly Catholic) and 1/3 African tribal religions.

The area that this parish is split about 50\50 Catholic and African tribal. There is a mosque in the main town, so there are a few muslims, but not many.

When I asked the bishop about why there are so many practioners of the tribal religions, as it seemed so backwards. He said that it was a matter of pragmatism. Those who practice the tribal religions don't want to become Muslim, as they don't want to give up beer, and they don't want to become Catholic, as they want to have more than one wife (it's a status symbol in African society, even among the muslims)

So the opportunity to convert adult males is small. Especially when the bishop tells a prospective convert that not only can he have just one wife, it has to be the first wife, not any wife of his choosing. And he cannot simply dismiss the other wives, but still has to provide for them, but treat them as sisters. That doesn't go over very well.

So his plan is to have the best schools, so that the children come to him, and he can reach them with the Gospel while they are young and before they marry.

Unlike the teens from our parish, who were over there building the church, I was over there setting up computer labs at the bishop's Secondary schools and teaching the teachers.

On the last trip, the trip that involved the consecration, I set up a computer lab at the bishop's minor seminary. I was fortunate to be asked by the bishop to give an address and a guest lecture to the seminarians :)

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tAnGo wrote:
GREAT PICS!
Yes, indeed. I do remember those African skies.

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Highlander wrote:
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GREAT PICS!
Yes, indeed. I do remember those African skies.


Going back in Oct, it was actually wierd to see clouds. When we were there in July, that was the middle of the dry season, we didn't see a cloud the whole time were were there (other than a dusty haze)

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And here is a video from our trip

http://sdrv.ms/GV5tRJ

It was orginally taken by a videographer from Slovak Catholic TV, as our pastor is from Slovakia, and they went along to do a documentary on the project. So the interview with our pastor is done in Slovak. There are subtitles :)

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Brendan wrote:
So the opportunity to convert adult males is small. Especially when the bishop tells a prospective convert that not only can he have just one wife, it has to be the first wife, not any wife of his choosing. And he cannot simply dismiss the other wives, but still has to provide for them, but treat them as sisters. That doesn't go over very well.


It doesn't have to be the first one necessarily

Can. 1148 §1. When he receives baptism in the Catholic Church, a non-baptized man who has several non-baptized wives at the same time can retain one of them after the others have been dismissed, if it is hard for him to remain with the first one. The same is valid for a non-baptized woman who has several non-baptized husbands at the same time.

§2. In the cases mentioned in §1, marriage must be contracted in legitimate form after baptism has been received, and the prescripts about mixed marriages, if necessary, and other matters required by the law are to be observed.

§3. Keeping in mind the moral, social, and economic conditions of places and of persons, the local ordinary is to take care that the needs of the first wife and the others dismissed are sufficiently provided for according to the norms of justice, Christian charity, and natural equity.

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