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beng
 Post subject: Luther's bible (anyone who knows German, please help)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:11 pm 
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The gospel of Luke from Luther's translated Bible.


    Luk 1:28
    28 Vnd der Engel kam zu jr hin ein / vnd sprach / Gegrüsset seistu holdselige / der HERR ist mit dir / du Gebenedeiete (1) vnter den Weibern.

My question, did he translate "kecharitomene" as "full of grace" in that verse?
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 Post subject: Re: Luther's bible (anyone who knows German, please help)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:44 am 
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No, he would write Gnadenvolle "full of grace" instead of Holdselige "sweet" or "lovely".

For Hail Mary's, German people would say "Du bist voll der Gnade."

"Gebenedeit" means "blessed."

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Воскрес, как обещал, аллилуйя.
- Моли Бога о нас, аллилуйя.

Радуйся и веселись, Дева Мария, аллилуйя,
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lbt
 Post subject: Re: Luther's bible (anyone who knows German, please help)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:15 am 
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The phrase "du Gebenedeiete vnter den Weibern" is much like "Blessed art thou among women." That phrase was present in important Greek manuscripts and early translations. It is generally omitted.

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Небесная Царица, радуйся, аллилуйя,
- Ибо тот, кого Ты носила во чреве Твоем, аллилуйя,

Воскрес, как обещал, аллилуйя.
- Моли Бога о нас, аллилуйя.

Радуйся и веселись, Дева Мария, аллилуйя,
- Ибо Господь воистину воскрес, аллилуйя.

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anna1978
 Post subject: Re: Luther's bible (anyone who knows German, please help)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:35 am 
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In Dutch it's also 'Gebenedeit zijt gij onder de vrouwen' (Blessed art thou among women), so yes...it's 'blessed'
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